Cold Hardy Satsumas for Zone 8a (with protection)?

I’m looking into the possibility of growing a single cold hardy Satsuma on trifoliate orange rootstock next to a south facing wall of my home. I’ll do the full agro fabric in winter with vintage string lights to keep the heat in.

I’ve been chatting with Stan McKenzie of McKenzie Farms as well as reviewing his youtube videos (at his request). I’m considering Brown’s Select, Owari, Kimbrough, and Sugar Bell. I don’t know much about hardy citrus care other than keeping them warm when the temps drop below 20. would any of these (or something else) work for me? While I am in zone 8a, the border with 7b is just a mile away. Can they be grown without sprays in my area?

Edit: I’m particularly looking at Citrus for fresh eating for the wife and kids (4 and 8) so the more tart varieties aren’t an option.

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Definitely don’t need to worry about spraying for anything. Citrus imo are the most carefree plants. I do the agfabric and lights for weeks like the current one I’m having. But the rest of the year (March-December) they require nothing. You may fail but I think it’s likely you can succeed, with an Owari, Sugarbelle or ten degree tangerine. Definitely worth the shot

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We use Brown, Owari and Miho here in 8B and they did fine for years. However we lost them all to insane{plus 54" for the year, thanks Hurricanes and storms} flooding this year. The first time in my life losing citrus to drowning.

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I’m right in the same climate situation. I’m currently covering up a baby Ichang Lemon and Sudachi at night. However, I think I might just buy a cheap greenhouse off Amazon, fill it with some black rain barrels and dedicate it to Satsumas. I think that setup would be a lot less stressful for me.

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sorry you lost the trees. How did Brown’s Select compare to Owari?

I thought about ten degree tangerine but Stan’s description of it tasting like lemonade makes me think it might not be as tasty for my kids (4 and 8). I would primarily be growing the fruit for them and the wife.

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I highly suggest that you get ‘Louisiana Early’, it appears to be the best early Satsuma cultivar, and it produces early September through mid-October. Which means way less likelihood of the fruit getting hit by frost. It can be bought here Louisiana Early Satsuma Trees for Sale - MadisonCitrusNursery.com – Madison Citrus Nursery

This video is interesting

Also this one is good

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I’ve seen the Millennial gardener videos about Hardy Citrus. That’s where I got the idea to do the agro fabric and vintage lights. That’s also how I initially found Stan McKenzie (reaffirmed by several posts here on growingfruit).

The Millennial Gardener is in Wilmington NC which is much further south of me in a different climate zone. I was looking for input from growers here on their opinions on these cultivars and seeing if someone has any local experience growing in a colder climate like mine.

Do you grow ‘Louisiana Early’ and if so, what is your experience with it? How does it differ from Brown’s Select, Owari, Kimbrough, and Sugar Belle?

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I bought ‘Louisiana Early’ budwood in 2024, unfortunately the budwood failed to take, I will try again this year.

This PDF does a good job at comparing it to other varieties https://www.lsuagcenter.com/~/media/system/0/3/0/3/0303c226dfecea46ee66229eb7bf1d7f/pub1234citrus_adapdf.pdf

This does a decent comparison Citrus Growers Forum

Here is a PDF specifically for ‘Louisiana Early’ https://www.lsuagcenter.com/~/media/system/8/b/d/f/8bdf7b3ee2a2a9e57861ad9b803193c4/rc140earlysatsuma.pdf

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Brown’s is a bigger tree. Sort of Medium/large and sweeter. Owari definitely has more tang and was more of a medium. Brown and Miho are both sweeter really.

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100% you can grow satsumas or Sugarbelle with modest protection.

I’m about halfway between you and MG in terms of zone and geography.

I’ve got Owari, Kimbrough, Silverhill, and Xie Shan. Most satsumas in the US are just bud mutations or nucellar (generic clones) seedlings of Owari. There’s not a whole lot of difference between them usually other than ripening time. Xie Shan is a bit different and people seem to prefer the flavor (I bought mine last year, hasn’t fruited yet). All are very good, they’re juicy, sweet, seedless, zipper peel, and tasty with a nice mandarin flavor.

The single Owari that didn’t drop during the June drought ended up getting huge. I should have left it on the tree a little longer for more ripening, but there was a hard frost coming and I hadn’t set up my protection by then. Tasted great!


Sugarbelle I’ll be getting this spring. It’s quite different from a satsuma. It’s a cross between clementine and mineola. The ones I had were not nearly as easy to peel as a satsuma, closer to a clementine. I’d say they’re more complex tasting. Mandarin is the main flavor, but with a touch of orange like a clementine has. There’s a bit of a grapefruit flavor in the background that’s similar to mineola. Mine were pretty tart, but they were also picked too early. Sugarbelle has seeds, but they’re fairly small and aren’t that numerous.

Both are quite good looking plants from what I’ve seen. Most Satsumas have a weeping habit that’s very pretty if a bit annoying to keep off the ground. Sugarbelle is more upright. Both are dense and have attractive leaves. Satsumas are slower growing, Sugarbelle is supposed to be pretty vigorous. I believe Sugarbelle also gets bigger overall.

For protection I use Christmas lights, water containers, frost cloths, and microclimates. I sometimes their a tarp over them as well if it’s going to be windy. Personally, I like to protect during the first few freezes even if they’re mild, otherwise new growth tends to get zapped (even in the upper twenties) and of course smaller trees need more protection. Also useful for protecting fruit while getting in that last bit of ripening (which I didn’t actually do this year unfortunately). Later in the winter I baby them less. The lights I leave on them all winter, turning on when needed, and the water I also just leave, the covers I take off when not needed because my yard isn’t very private and I don’t want the neighbors getting upset… Ideally you just leave the first cloth on though. In your zone you’ll get some real cold nights, so you probably want to have plenty of Christmas lights and maybe a second layer of frost cloth for those really cold nights.

Keep in mind that lights themselves do almost nothing because the heat just blows away. But lights make frost cloth way more effective by continuously adding a little bit of heat. Alone, neither are that great, together they can add as much as ten degrees from what I can tell.

Also, while the trees will survive very low temperatures, you probably will want to protect enough to prevent defoliation and die back as that can reduce your harvest. How much that is exactly is mostly trial and error. Just remember the first winter is the hardest one regardless of how cold it actually gets.

But yeah, aside from winter protection, which can be pretty low effort if you do it right, citrus in our area are super easy. No spraying, no real pest issues, self fertile, precocious, productive, and pretty ornamental. They are heavy feeders, especially for N, iron, and trace minerals, but they reward you for fertilizing them with better growth than most fruit trees. They’re very drought tolerant but prefer regular watering. They do need good drainage, though Poncirus rootstock helps with that. They’re understory trees naturally, but at our latitude full sun is probably best (you do lose a little hardiness not being under cover, but if you’re already having to protect I feel like it’s not worth the trade off in growth and productivity).

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I just bought an Owari. I am in zone 9a, so there is a much lower threat of the tree being killed. But I am curious, at what temps are the fruit damaged? I think that will be my biggest concern. We often get temps in the low 20’s starting in November.

I plan to keep my on a south facing wall, where we also have a water heater closet attached to the house.

Most people say 28 F is the lowest temperature they can take. Some fruit can handle worse though.

Here’sa recent discussion.

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Any report on Silverhill? I’ve been thinking about getting it after reading UCR’s description of it’s cold hardiness. Silverhill Satsuma mandarin | Givaudan Citrus Variety Collection at UCR

What ever you get Make sure it is on Flying dragon or Poncirus trifoliata. 8a=10F, 7b=5F. I am 6b=(-5F) and this is what I need of Meiwa on Flying dragon.


Without the snow I would have to cover with multiple blanket. It currently is heated with a 75 watt incandescent bulb.

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I was testing this with some of my satsumas. they were fine after 24F which surprised me (we had multiple nights with similar temperatures). They handled these low temps better than apples.
I ate them about 3 weeks after these frosts, tasted just fine. Still got some dekopons hanging, will see how that affected them after they ripen.

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We have had many years with 20 degree temps on all our Satsumas on standard nursery rootstock.

So those varieties are also ok outside in 8b then? :scream:

I was thinking about that to try and keep them smaller too. I can’t use ladders to harvest so I would like to keep the tree dwarf if possible through trifoliate rootstock and pruning.

Mine should fruit this year.

It’s doesn’t seem to me any more cold hardy, but I’ve also got it in a more exposed condition than my others so if I were to get a killing freeze the results wouldn’t be much to go by. It also tends to push growth very late and then lose that growth to the first frost, but again that might just be because it gets more sun than the others.

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