Perfect Circle has a few available for scion purchase now. I grabbed some discussed above.
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I have DEC Improved Rosseyanka in ground since fall. It’s a very petite graft, maybe 6-8 inches tall. Made it through winter and buds breaking just now.
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Ok. I have googled and searched the archives for “Improved Rosseyanka” and I can not find anything. I saw on Perfect Circle where they sell scions, but I do not see the description.
I’m so curious and have to know…What makes it “improved”? My curiosity is killing me, because Rosseyanka is one I have always wanted. I bought one and the graft on the grafted tree failed after a year or two. I have no idea why. But that was just the plain Rosseyanka, not the improved variety by Compton.
Anyhow I would love to know what the DEC “improved Rosseyanka” is or where I can find more info about it.
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Can you help us out with descriptions or any information on these compton type persimmons?
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It would likely be a seedling of Rosseyanka. DEC persimmons in general have very little information available on the internet as no effort has been made to market them. Mr. Compton appears to just really enjoy breeding persimmons, and I hope we can discover more about the best ones. Asking @Buzzferver would be a good first step.
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@Thazo1979 Yes, I know nothing about it other than what the name implies, and I did obtain it from Buzz so that’s probably a good starting place as @disc4tw recommends. I have combed through Mr. Compton’s posts on Facebook (from when he was active) and found nothing about this cultivar specifically. I see others are also going to grow it out, hopefully we can share information here.
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I don’t know any real info about that particular cultivar, but Id asked earlier about another DEC called ‘Large Morris Burton’ and someone (i forget who, maybe @JCW ?) chimed in that it is a seedling of ‘Morris Burton’. Rosseyanka in particular has many confusing doppelgängers, including some from the original breeding. I forget who was expounding on those details from the past, maybe @Harbin ?. There are also a bunch of more contemporary alternate cultivars that confusingly sport some iteration of the same name, like one called ‘Male Rosseyanka’ and another called ‘Rosseyanka 2’ (if memory serves)
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A little while back I listened to a NAFEX online meeting (still there on YouTube) on persimmon and pawpaw breeders. Buzz Ferver and Darren BB were the presenters. They talked a little about Compton’s work. From the little they said, it seems like Compton is focusing on commercial pulping qualities. Several of the DEC varieties they got permission to release would not have been released if it were up to Compton just because the varieties aren’t great for commercial harvesting (due to black specks, skin, drops, etc.). They also said that what they thought was worth releasing didn’t always line up with what Compton thought was worth releasing, but he seemed to be really easy going about letting them pick what they wanted to release and name it whatever they wanted, as long as it had the DEC at the beginning. DBB said he thought DEC Goliath was the best of the bunch so far.
I’m going to try to get my hands on DEC Goliath and a few others next year to try them out. I’m glad Compton’s work is getting some attention and distribution. Every small step in the progress of persimmon breeding is one less the next generation of persimmon breeders won’t have to take.
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I have DEC Goliath here. The other one Buzz was emphatic that I grow is a DEC hybrid of Thor x Nikita’s gift. It has a numbered designation only, I want to say its ‘C5’. Will have to double check
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Bumping this one up to see if anyone might happen to have learned anything new about the DEC persimmon cultivars?
I texted Buzz Ferver yesterday to try and get some info. It sounds like he is pretty swamped right now, but said this winter we can have a discussion along with Darren and get some descriptions written down. I will of course share the results of that discussion here, if it happens.
The reason I ask now, is @armyofda12mnkeys has graciously just shipped me some extra scions, and I’m curious to know more about what I’ll be grafting.
DEC King Crimson
DEC Goliath (I have already, actually)
DEC Double ZipTie
DEC Wannabe
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PS Wannabee is Wannabee#3 in particular that i prob got from Brambleberry Farms
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Good timing, I was getting ready to ask you that!
I browsed old posts on Donald Compton’s facebook profile. I did find one photo posted about Wannabe 3. At least per the posting date, he had ripe fruit on October 3rd in 2021. Possibly ripens earlier, since he mentioned it’s winding down for the season.
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Some other grafted varieties for sale today on perfectcircle farm:
Think I heard a good comment about C5 hybrid somewhere on here. Also interested in those Hershey ones (wonder if the teardrop has a teardrop shape like Geneva Long).
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Those look like ones we need to try!
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I’m excited for my C5 graft. @Buzzferver has some great stuff going on.
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Are any more of the DEC varities turning up?
Brambleberry had these ones :
Hmmm so does that mean its not a DEC variety? or a different variety in his orchard?
PS DEC King Crimson was one of the varieties i wanted to get from Brambleberry this weekend, but it sold out quick (or wasn’t listed). Anyone have a stick of that? (i had it last year and even gave some away some scion of that but my own plant died from my fertilizer incident. Thought I’d regraft it again).
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If i run across any i will let you know.
Hi Clark, take a look at Perfect Circle Farm in VT. Buzz knows quite a bit about all of Compton’s cultivars.
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I happened to spend an hour in the phone with Buzz yesterday - he shared much of the limited info and background he has about the Donald Compton persimmons with me.
I will share that info here soon, but first I’ve reached out to Darren Bender-Beauregard per Buzz’s recommendation to try and get additional info. Stay tuned.
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