hey Trev. the same offer stands for you if you can send me some logan cuttings.
im gonna have to sell this one. I have another one that i just got this year as well. I also have all the other varieties of purples and these are much better. The newer one may be better as well.
Im in partners with other nuts like me that collect… and they arent from this country… so i will be their US market since they cant.
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@steveb4 … my thornless logan has some canes running off the trellis and heading to the ground now.
They tip root easily.
I will put a small planter with some garden dirt and compost under this one and hopefully be able to send you one with roots next spring.
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PM me what you want for some cuttings. im mainly wanting it for the cold hardiness and the fact that it stays put.
A HOME for Obsidian…
Got out today and made one of my standard planting beds to plant my two Obsidian blackberry crowns in.
Borderless raised bed…
Very dry here but got it broke up pretty good.
The tines on that fork are 12 inch long.
Added 100 lbs of compost and worked itin good.
Also added bone meal, gypsum, epson salt, greensand.
Finished it off with pine bark mulch and 6 gal of water.
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i have a cane of Columbia giant that i did the same. its yours next spring if you want it.
man you got some gorgeous soil! id pay good money for a yard or 2 of that.
Thats good looking work you did there. It does look very dry there. It’s been very dry here as well. Think that is just the current weather pattern. I’m not planting bushes or trees given the weather.
@clarkinks … agree… but i have been wanting this blackberry… and they only offered it for fall delivery.
It is about a 50 yard walk with my 2 gal watering can. I will get a little more exercise this October… our Novembers are normally wetter… hope so.
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Prime-Ark Freedom primocane crop weighed in at 16-18 Brix this Summer. A friend commented that they did not taste like blackberries. Probably because the wild berries and supermarket ones are never that sweet and tasty. They had a great fruity Purple Drink flavor.
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@nil … i planted 3 PAFs this spring in a morning sun location… and they hardly grew… 2 of the grew about 2 ft… 1 grew about 4 ft… and a loganberry planted in the same bed put on over 20 ft of growth.
Not impressed with PAF so far here… but will have to try them in full sun next.
@krismoriah This guy appeared to be utterly pissed about his Chickasaw: Chickasaw blackberry vs Himalayan blackberrry - YouTube
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I had crappy growth the first year. Last year the Brix was 13ish. This is the third year in ground.
I saw that… shame because its a nice plant and berries rival kiowa in size…
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If not for this year…i planned on destroying my PAF.
Year 1 was underwhelming… Year 2 was about the same maybe a little better… Year 3 i tried something different…
I am pretty new to primocane fruiting blackberries… so it took a little while to figure out what they want.
Alot of energy is needed to push canes…and fruit in the same season.
So unlike my other plants… it needs more nutrition.
I guess its kind of like corn… needs alot of nutrition to produce the stalk and the fruit in the same year.
So with that being said. I fertilized in early spring for the growth. Then once i saw flowers in late summer i fertilized again.
I normally only fertilize once… if at all.
PAF likes warmer climates… (or warm greenhouses). So if i get a bunch of winter damage this year im done with it i think.
I dont think this is a Z6 plant… maybe 7 and above.
Thought I might comment on our experience with blackberry varieties in central NC since 1982
We started with Dirkson and Black Satin and added Hull. Great yields but lousy taste. Hull was best.
Once we tasted Shawnee we removed all of the older USDA thornless varieties. Shawnee was superior in flavor and keeping ability but slightly less in yield. We grew Coctaw and Cheyenne for a while too until they declined from virus infections. We had fewer problems with Shawnee. After a few years we were overwhelmed by the effort required to cut out the dead canes with massive thorns on our of 2 acres of thorny blackberries. Welding gloves helped with the thorns when we pruned, but we always got scratched bad.
Tested another field with Navaho thornless. They grew great and were easy to manage. Customers loved them and we thought the flavor of Navaho was as good as the thorny Arkansas varieties. They made growing commercial blackberries fun again. Navaho changed the blackberry world forever. Eventually our Navaho were killed by Orange Rust and replaced by Von.
We also grow Natchez, Ouachita, Osage, Caddo and Ponca. We really like Caddo and Ponca.
Don’t believe the flavor of the thorny Arkansas varieties is any better than the flavor of the thornless Arkansas varieties in my climate. My experience matches the comments on the Shawnee Patient:
“The fresh fruit has better flavor than any extant variety of thornless blackberry and is rated superior to the thorny varieties Cheyenne and Shawnee. The soluble solids content averages 11.2%, higher than most blackberry varieties. Seed size is smaller than other thornless varieties now in existence.”
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How do you like Von? I have it going but just started with it this year. Some of the reviews on social medias were unfavorable but the pictures that Dr. Gina Fernandez posted look good.
Nobody talks about Apache… its my favorite of the older thornless releases. Mostly because its erect and has big big berries and has a pretty sweet taste here.
I think I have some prime ark traveller as well…that one got forgot about pretty much.
I never got to try Prime Jim or Prime Jan… trying Prime Ark Horizon now… and the offshoot that they sent to Stark- Black Magic.
Next year will be my first look at Big Daddy. Nobody knows where it came from or anything it just popped up…and is kind of strange marketing.
Lydia’s Sweet Giant will be released next year i think- I want it.
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Don’t like Von as much as we liked Navaho but no Orange Rust problems on Von so far. Really liked the small seeds and the long harvest window on Navaho. The early research suggested that Navaho was tolerant to Orang Rust which turned out to be wrong.
Dr Gina did a seminar here a few years ago. We are lucky to have so many well known fruit researchers in NC. Some of the early field trials for Von and other brambles for central NC were done at a research farm about 30 minutes away. Research showed that Apache was prone to white drupelets in my area so we skipped it but another PYO farm grows it and likes it a lot. Have not messed with any of the Arkansas primocane varieties but we are testing Galaxy, Eclipse and Twilight. Very surprising how certain brambles do so well in some areas but so poor in my area.
Please let us know how you like the newer varieties you are testing.
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