First Year Trials

Hello fellow members!

(1) I’ll start with a little introduction:

Our family has a hobby farm in south-central MN in growing zone 4B. One thing about “Maggies Farm” is we never did anything small. When we got chickens we got 500. When we got pheasants we ended up with 10,000. For many years our focus lay on poultry, but as the kids got older and the farm got quiet; our priorities changed to wildlife planting.

(2) The good the bad and the ugly:

We faced a constant battle of felling invasive trees and nuking bittersweet for several years. It was a battle that still to this day we feel like we are falling behind. One day I started on the edge of the property where some old unknown variety apple trees lay choked by invasive trees and bittersweet. The following year the crop was massive. I was more than impressed with the crop, as was the wildlife! My first introduction to the benefit of fruit trees for wildlife.


(3) The Planning:

After spending many hours researching trees, I stumbled upon grafting. An intimidating voyage for a novice grower (of anything). With some help I thought it was a voyage worth taking as the cost of yearly food plots was nothing to scoff about. Luckily, we still had our flight pen intact which would act as a nursery.

(4) The Fun Begins:

After spending hours (days?) researching varieties and soil types I made the best educated and stubborn guess on successful variety I could think of, as well as some recommendations from family! The scions came from Cummins, however, the B118 rootstocks came from Willamette.

These are the scions I ordered:
Blue Pearmain
Chestnut Crab
Empire
Gilpin
Golden Russet
Haralson
Honeycrisp
Hubbartdston Nonsuch
Liberty
Northland Crab

(5) Two Cuts, some Tape, and a Prayer:

In the middle of march we received our trees and were very eager to begin right away. The method my mom and I decided to use was bench grafting. A method to me that seemed friendly for novices such as myself. As we grafted the trees we almost rolled our eyes thinking that we were missing something important. Bing, bang, boom, and the trees were propagated to the best of our abilities and set to heal. Unfortunately I wouldn’t be present to palnt the trees in the flight pen for the summer. As summer work began I migrated to Alaska and said my prayer that weather and care would be enough to get a 50% survival rate.

(6) Rain, Clay, and a little LUCK:

Lone behold, would you believe it’s a lot of work? Maggie’s Farm experienced a lot of rain this year. Below our black dirt was clay in the flight pen. My negligence of testing the soil was biting me in the butt. Our trees were drowning and there was nothing I could do about it as I was 3,000 miles away. My parents did the best ability they could to give consistent watering and pruning to the best of their knowledge. The survival rate of grafts remained around 70% midsummer.

(7) The Return:

As the summer neared it’s end in Alaska the project back home lay restless. Originally, with the intention of leaving the trees in the ground over the winter I was excited to come check out our project! However, I didn’t realize the extent of stunted growth that had happened. We decided it was best to move them in the fall to a more suitable growing area. Time to read about deer protection.

(8) Blood, Sweat, and Cages:

Unfortunately most of our chickenwire and fence wasn’t reusable to our expectations. We bought 5 ft fencing, cut 6 foot sections and wrapped the bottom two feet with chicken wire as to prevent baby rabbits and mice from getting in. Luckily for us we had a bunch of t-posts leftover to use. The smaller cages were our short-term plan and as the trees are so small they’d provide adequate protection and in a couple years we could add a section to make it wider. I do intent to add another post or two in contingent on next years growth.

(9) The Trials of Transplant:

As I set the leftover posts in the marked locations I began to see the dream I thought of one year ago when ordering. Wildlife planting had been a priority in the past for us so we had some practice the past few years with around 800 pines, spruce, and wild plum trees. However, my obsession with success led me back to the forum. After hours of pounding stakes and pre-digging holes the trees were ready to be set. Two days later and I was happy with the work we had done!

Honeycrisp:

Harallson:

Golden Russet:

(10) The End if often the Beginning:

I’m amazed that in a short timeframe I could go from ordering trees for deer to ordering trees for us. We’ve added an additional 60 trees for next years order expanding Maggie’s Farm to peaches, pears, and more plums.

(11) A Special Thanks:

Without the help of this forum I would have never taken on this endeavor. So many of you helped me in this journey and will continue to without knowing! I hope you enjoyed the read! Would love some recommendations!

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im in a similar growing zone also on heavy clay. i havent had much luck with peaches. i lost a contender completely and my 2nd one a reliance survived 1 winter to give me 1 peach then died to the snowline the 2nd winter. its since sent out new growth. i planted 6 siberian c peach pits 2 years ago. 5 sprouted and are 4-5ft. now. they survived -25f last winter with no damage. hopefully they make it. i have 5 apricots grafted on my black ice plum that are so far hardy. should see some fruit on them next year hopefully. good luck with your orchard and welcome to the forum. Merry Christmas!

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You can’t go wrong with a few nut trees.

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Practically feels like everyone else wants to grow persimmons in Zone 4B. You don’t have to, but you can just start reading a couple posts here:

Basically, persimmon is one of those things that’s just an experiment to grow in Zone 4b, but orchardist are doing it because they wish it would work in Zone 4b. In marketing terms, it’s “aspirational.” I’m doing it too.

There’s a website called Montana Fruit Tree Company. They have a minimum order of $200. They’ve been able to adapt some fruit like Almonds and English Walnut and some grapes to Zone 4B. That would be unique.

Too hard to meet that price point? Check out my reference for zone 4b fruit you can grow at:

Remember the University of Minnesota has releases for grapes and pears and plums, not just apples for Minnesota. The University of Wisconsin River Falls, not far across the border, developed a hybrid cherry-plum called Black Ice.

Links:

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I would like to hold an online Zoom Meetup, for those of us doing orcharding and permaculture in zones 3-5, out in January when it’s usually severely below zero. Maybe Wednesday the 7th or the 14th when there’s less going on. We had a farmer growing nuts and a few other things in North Dakota join us last year.

Please message me if you would be interested? Remember this is after the holidays when there is nothing going on and it’s below zero outside.

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You should do very well with the pears and apples. Peaches will definitely be a struggle so maybe try to find something that fills that niche for you - whatever it is that you enjoy about peaches ( juiciness? Aroma?) and maybe try to find a plum or pawpaw that meets that need.

@ConfusedFruitFarmer:

I created this thread which contains a list of types of plants you can grow and for some has links to threads discussing them. If you give you a lot of ideas on other trees you could plant. I put a lot of time into it thinking it would be helpful for people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, South Dakota. I’d love it if my post got more people clicking the heart-shaped “like” button way down at the bottom.

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Appreciate the advice! We’re hoping to put them in a greenhouse if we have it up and ready in time. My dad has had a peach dream for a awhile now so I don’t think I can amend that part of the order!

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That would be awesome! Would love to join!

My dad is especially keen on the peaches so I wasn’t able to amend that part of the order! Hopefully we’ll have our greenhouse up in time!

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This is such a great rundown of the process of starting apples on a large scale. As a fellow southern Minnesotan, I am very intrigued by how the coming years will go.

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im like your father. i have a obsession with getting peaches to grow as they are my favorite tree fruit. got some iowa white peach seeds im trialing this spring as well as 5 siberian c peach trees that are 4-5ft and have survived -25f with no damage so far… the way we’re going with this early deep cold it may be a test year for them. the quest for northern Maine peaches continues.

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