Freeze Damage Chart


#41

Some of the links say “page doesn’t exist” or something similar. Instead of linking a site with a pdf file info, it would’ve been better to download the file and attach it maybe?
I had saved a favorite to Penn State site with fruit guide. Now when I click on it, it says “buy it for $15”. Last year it was free. But I didn’t save the pdf. Just saved the link. Bad idea.


#42

It is hard to get something really worthwhile, but if both parents already are. Notice how many Dapple this and Dapple That pluots out there? Well because you can’t go wrong. I don’t have to reinvent the wheel, i can start with pluots. Pluot crossed with a pluot is a pluot. Nectarine, plum, peach, apricot, and cherry genes are already in the plum pool, I’ll use them, I have all those genes in my yard now.

Well first all you said is true. Chances of getting something exceptional are rare, and I certainly don’t expect anything worth a patent. As far as what I’m going to use, I’m unsure. Some i will grow out. Since pluots are dependent on cross pollination, it is likely another pluot provided the pollen and all you have to do is grow them out. I just like growing plants. I don’t care about any other aspect, anything else is frosting. I doubt for now I’ll make any intentional crosses next year really. I need to grow out many and see if any crossed would be worth doing. What we have is fairly nice already. I crossed peaches to try for a specific ripening time to fill the gap I have. I crossed raspberries to make an orange berry, mine came out pink. It is orange for a second then turns pink. I’m doing another raspberry cross to try again. And the pink produced fruit only 1 year old, almost all cultivars out there produce fruit the 2nd year. So the pink appears very vigorous and healthy.It is a great feature for breeding, so I will use the pink in future crosses to insert that vigor in future cultivars. Well try to anyway. I always wanted to cross western blackberries with eastern, to try and get that western taste into a hardier blackberry. Those seeds should germinate this spring. I also have a 2nd raspberry with extreme vigor, and hoping it’s a winner. As far as pluots I need to develop goals, I don’t really have much. Still evaluating breeding stock. So far Dapple Dandy made it, it has good flavor, large, the tree is productive, and hardy. Also Nadia has made it into possible breeding stock as it has some excellent features some cherries have like more hardiness than plums and later blooming times. Yet very early ripening, the main thing I’m looking at. We don’t have loads of early plums/pluots, the cherry parentage helps them ripen earlier if you can retain it.
The weeping gene in Weeping Santa Rosa would be useful to make other weeping types of trees with fruit. So that one is in too. Maybe I’ll produce the world’s first weeping pluot tree? Maybe I’ll call it a Drewot? :slight_smile: The gene might be recessive and i will have to cross back, we will see. i still though want to develop more goals. I will play around with learning to grow out seeds for now. Also could be used for rootstock if a stinker. Candy Heart is another I would like to play with. Dapple Supreme, Dapple Jack and Fall Fiesta look interesting too. FF has plum, cherry, peach and nectarine in its parentage.

Really after 40 years of growing I need new challenges, so grafting, and breeding.
are just extensions of the hobby, for advanced players. I like to grow hard to grow plants at times, such as variegated plants. Learning how to collect pollen, emasculate flowers, scarify seeds. Last year I started a project to grow out fig seeds and look for common fruiting types, but a frost killed all my seedlings. This year with figs a few of us are trying to clean some virus infected plants up by finding apomictic fig seeds so we can produce disease-free offspring of choice cultivars. It can only be done in a wasp free region and yeah I meet that criteria.
Anyway I’m rambling, sorry, It doesn’t matter the results, the learning on the journey is the prize.
Burbank made hundreds of unusual fruits and plants from white blackberries to spineless fruiting cacti. Nobody told him he needed years of multiple crosses, he just did it.
Burbank’s creations included: Fruits

113 plums and prunes
35 fruiting cacti
16 blackberries
13 Raspberries
11 quinces
11 plumcots
10 cherries
10 strawberries
10 apples
8 peaches
6 chestnuts
5 nectarines
4 grapes
4 pears
3 walnuts
2 figs
1 almond

Russet-Burbank potatoes

Grains, grasses, forage

Nine types

Vegetables

26 types

Ornamentals

91 types

Burbank wrote, or co-wrote, several books on his methods and results, including his eight-volume How Plants Are Trained to Work for Man (1921), Harvest of the Years (with Wilbur Hall, 1927), Partner of Nature (1939), and the 12-volume Luther Burbank: His Methods and Discoveries and Their Practical Application. Burbank also published in 1893 a descriptive catalog of some of his best varieties, entitled called New Creations in Fruits and Flowers’.

Other works include:

The Training of the Human Plant
Some Interesting Failures: The Petunia with the Tobacco Habit, and Others
The Almond and Its Improvement: Can It Be Grown Inside of the Peach?
Four Burbank Plums, and How They were Made: Methods Which Brought Unprecedented Success

About 50 more i won’t list…


#43

That’s a great chart. Thanks Auburn. John S PDX OR


#44

Wow Drew…that almost looked like one of MY posts! haha. But I understand what you are saying now. It would be nice to be the next Luther Burbank but it seems like a tall order.

I’;ve got some really great wild paw paws in my area and have always thought it would be interesting and fun to cross some from some of the different wild patches I know of in my area and try to create a great paw paw, but it just seems like the odds are so much against me. Plus, paw paws are such incredibly slow growers that it seems like it would be even harder to cross and evaluate fruit from them in any sort of reasonable time period. I often think of Neal Peterson’s paw paw efforts and how amazing it is that he was able to create and evaluate so many varieties over his lifetime when one considers it often takes paw paws as many as 7-8 years to first fruit. As humans, we just don’t have ALL that many 7 year periods in our adult life. At least plums and peaches usually fruit in 3-4 years. Good luck with creating those new pluots.