It’s free and easy to install. My wife tuned me into it. My son has an advance version you now have to pay for but he got for free by getting it when it was first offered. .
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Yeah AI is here to stay. I’ll get with it one of these days. Although the magic 8 ball will be hard to give up 
As long as you plant above the graft line you should be fine. Also keep in mind that the hole can never really be to big.
Morus nigra black mulberries are typically grafted onto Morus alba rootstock propagated by rooted cuttings
That shouldn’t impact where the root flare is planted relative to the soil line. What you can do is change where the soil line is relative to the surrounding topography. In poor drainage areas, you can mound the soil. Dry areas, you can plant in a swale or depression. However, your root flare should still be at the soil line.
That being said, a very young tree will be more flexible in how you plant it. A one year old apple graft, for example, will have no trouble sprouting additional roots from the “trunk” if you bury it a bit, and that section will eventually become the root flare. I routinely pot up persimmon seedlings a little high to fit in pots, because the feeder roots often start several inches below the old soil line; the raised section of taproot has no trouble becoming part of the trunk. An older tree, on the other hand, will be more “set in its ways” and will be prone to rot and other woes.
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AI in my opinion (at least in it’s current form) should not have a place on this forum.
Currently it’s a word association algorithm. There is no reasoning experience or expertise behind it. It just scans texts and looks at what word is often used next after the last one.
This is a perfect example of such a word association algorithm getting it wrong.
It probably read fruit tree growing texts. And quite often grafting to an established rootstock is advised for propagating fruit tree cultivars.
However in the context it put it in now. It does not make sense anymore. But the AI does not understand what a rootstock is, or what grafting is. It just looks at texts and tries to guess the next word in a sentence.
If you asked me how best to propagate a rootstock. And i said i propagate all my rootstocks by grafting onto established rootstocks. You would not trust anything i write afterwards.
please stop with the AI writing posts for you. Or more clearly mark it. (different colour or quotation marks) Warn at the beginning of the post that it is AI generated so we can skip it if we don’t want to read AI text.
Also at least mention the prompt you gave the AI.
Without the prompt it is even more unreliable or untrustworthy for the rest of the forum users!
Note that this is not meant as a personal attack. If anyone else was letting AI write reply’s in a topic i would have had a similar response.
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your right. gone off was a poor choice of word. I edited it.
I recenty got a backhoe, after the last holes i dug, I now disagree. Lol, I dug 4 foot deep holes for 3 foot tall apples.
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I have my pear trees on OHxF 97. They dont like being planted deeper.
How would you like it edited?
I’m not aware of how I’m violating forum rules. Could you explain that to me? I’m happy to edit it further.
If the AI or you agrees with my experience or not, is not the point here. Or at least not the point I’m trying to make about not using or responsibly using text generative AI on this forum.
I’m not against the way you used AI in the above post, because i perceived it as disproving my own experience or claims (which it didn’t) But because i think text generative AI (at least in it’s current form) is bad for the forum. Regardless of what forum member posts it. Regardless if it supports or disproves my own posts.
I’m not sure i completely understand what your saying here.
But i said that I’m amazed that you are using these AI generated reply’s on the forum. Because in the past (and currently) you have always asked for or demanded a high standard of scientific proof or argument/experience from others on the forum. Something i quite like about you on the forum.
But using AI to write reply’s while admitting you lack the knowledge/experience to verify the validity of the AI generated text your posting. Seems amazing and a stark contrast to your normal standard for scientific accuracy.
If some-one asked me a year ago which user would post AI generated text. I would have guessed you last. That’s why i was amazed. It was not meant as a personal attack or claim about your character. I did choose my words poorly. And if there is still something in my post that offends you. Please let me know what specifically and ill change it. (either by public post or pm)
My response was not meant as a public textual flogging. You have in the past similarly responded and critiqued my posts. So i assumed it was okay to critique your post. It was meant as a critique on the post/use of AI. And not on you as a person. My apologies if it came off that way.
I’m not criticizing something you did in the past. I’m criticizing your current use of text generative AI to write forum reply’s.
Do you want me to remove the whole post? Or what part specifically?
glad to hear you liked me previous response. I also like a lot of the forum responses you have.
My disliking the use of text generative AI to write forum reply’s. Has nothing to do with you personally. It’s just my general opinion. Because you have been open to critique in the past. And critiqued others and had meaningful discussions in the past. I assumed it was okay to use your post to start a discussion. I made another topic to discus AI further to not derail this topic to much.
If you want to discus further we can in PM or in that topic. (or another new topic if you like)
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I’m sorry. i read this after i posted my last reply. Would you like me to remove or move that reply, and the one that “started” this out of the topic?
What does any of that have to do with “Fruit Tree Planting Depth?”
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your right. At this point it has gone completely off topic.
It started with some-one posting AI generated text that said
This AI generated text seems to claim or suggest the best way to propagate rootstocks is to graft them onto established rootstocks.
Which is obviously incorrect or at least an incomplete statement.
And this started as me critiquing these parts of the AI generated text and the general use of “text generative AI” on this forum.
done, i specificaly asked you what you wanted removed. Now you have so i removed it. I hope “the problem” is solved now.
Have a nice day
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I believe chatai is an excellent quick source of information even if it is better to take the time to spend the hours often necessary to find appropriate research that might give you a more accurate answer. A growing % of that research is now owned by private companies anyway.
I would never suggest that my robot trumps personal experience or that the program is anywhere near infallible but I will continue to refer to it for its great convenience and if I post a quote from it members will know where it came from and are free to offer contradicting opinions, especially ones based on personal anecdote. I love all the sources of information available and none are completely reliable. There are just too many variables for absolute truth in biological sciences.
The best part of this forum to me are member’s personal anecdotes which are often both interesting and useful. If someone thinks conclusions from anecdote may be mistaken, that is where the discussion begins.
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Good try
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What does any of that have to do with “Fruit Tree Planting Depth?”
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What aspect of this question hasn’t been answered?. I certainly devoted a nice piece of time to explain what I know about it. This forum allows conversations to wander once the main topic has been covered.
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More food for thought that is actually on topic.
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