Genetic testing will revolutionize fruit breeding

@randyks
Short answer: Not quite yet.

Longer answer: PCR technology attempts to produce inflorescences when markers are present in cell chromosomes. It cannot provide location information. I acquired high-precision whole chromosome sequences and used mathematical correlation algorithms to search for previously documented markers. The results were terrible. Two things need to occur in horticultural science before reliable genetic assays can be produced by most researchers:
They need to get rid of their current analysis software.
They need to adopt long-read digital sequencing.

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The testing may be a solid building block but at the end of the day of very limited use for breeding varieties.

There is no shortage of great material out there and while it is time consuming to mix them the old fashioned way, there is very little incentive to GMO apples for new varieties. At best we can hope them to GMO commercial varieties to make them resistant to certain diseases.

Heck the modern apple game is largely a marketing game. If you take any named variety that you like and cross pollinate it with any other great variety that you like, your chances of ending up with a very special snowflake will be pretty darn good. It won’t amount to much unless you get somebody like Stark Bros (pumpers of new varieties since the 1800’s) to try and generate some hoopla about it.

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Or a “catchy” re-name of a mediocre apple…

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@don1357
The testing in the above article was not for future GMO breeding. Instead they intend to use it as a guide to conventional breeding.

I know. And what I’m saying is that in reality there is little economic incentive to do that. As I say I see a lot more potential to introduce genetic material that will make existing breeds resistant to diseases.

There are over 7,500 varieties of apples in the world. The only thing between a great apple and name recognition is not quality but marketing. On the breeding side I just don’t see apples having the same economic curve as the monocrop staple foods where the Monsanto’s of the world can make a killing by introducing crops that are resistant to pesticides and such.

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@don1357

People reward good marketing. Everyone thinks red apples are better but usually they are not. My small red crabapple got a lot of questions. Had to tell people they are ok but not fantastic.




The crabapple called “Clarks crabapple” is amazing


Side by side in the grocery store the red apples sell more.

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Maybe off topic, I had a " prove you’re not a robot" question to join a forum. It was “What color are apples ?” :unamused:
When I responded many, red, yellow, green, brown, almost white, lots of blends I was declined! :smile:

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DNA tests have already impacted many areas of breeding. I had DNA tests run on 12 roosters a couple of years ago to find out which were homozygous for the oocyanin (blue egg) gene. Three were homozygous so I culled the rest of the roosters. I have hens just starting to lay that are producing sky blue eggs as a result. I need 2 more generations of DNA testing to stabilize a pure breeding line for the trait. This can also be done with standard test breeding methods but would take several more years. DNA tests cut directly to the point.

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How about a picture of the chicken strain? Will you introduce them?

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“DNA test” can mean many very different types of procedures, sensors, and analysis. It is equivalent to saying “laboratory assay”.

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Funny enough Honey Crisp broke the hegemony of quality over beauty. Since them lots of well deserving apples that are not perfectly colored have entered the market.

I found both amusing and promising that “miniature” apples are being marketed, I have to keep explaining to people that there are not just edible crab apples but superior crab apples. Then again I tried one and it was pretty meh; a chestnut crab runs circles around it. But going back to the whole marketing bit; the company has a patent on Rockit (babylove) so they market not what is better but what they can profit the best from.

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@don1357

Well said they got to find a way to make big profits. It was never about the best tasting apples for most of them. We are all here for quality fruit and the word keeps spreading.

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For every commercial company that does this I can find at least 100 individual sellers on internet marketplaces with the same behavior.

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@Richard

Absolutely true , we are all here for good tasting fruit and how we get to that level. As an example imagine if even 1 in 1000 apples was tested for nutrient content. Lots of growers would change their methods very fast!

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You can still be honest about it. Just yesterday I tried yet again to talk somebody away from buying a Jostaberry. They are horrible producers that prefer to grow tons of foliage instead of fruit which is probably a good thing, considering what a huge magnet they are to sawfly larvae. But they are ‘different’, and people (myself included) like to try things that are different.

They are one of the easiest things to propagate, only slightly harder than green mold on bread. Every year I do 10 or so of them, try to talk people away from them, but they keep taking one with the other stuff they buy.

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@don1357

I’m a sucker for novelties as well. Every akebia or other thing i never heard of that comes down the road im buying! Some turn out good , but most don’t.

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Yes, but in this case it is a simple probe for a single gene. Accuracy is very high. My tests were done at Justus Liebig university in Germany. Since then, IQGenetics has started performing oocyanin tests in the U.S.

KSP, search for Cackle Fruit to find a few pictures of my chickens. They look like Silver Laced Wyandottes but lay blue eggs. When I get them stable, I will arrange for them to be sold commercially.

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I agree.

I agree. there are so many great crab apples. just because they are smaller doesnt mean they cant be better. i put in 5 this spring and many grafted Clarks crab.

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We have always called eggs “cackle berries” in the UK.

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