When I say juicer I mean the Jack-LaLanne only for apples/pears because it’s good at it but for grape juice you want something like this one http://www.amazon.com/Victorio-VKP1140-Stainless-Steel-Juicer/dp/B001FT4FH4/ref=sr_1_7?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1443375112&sr=1-7&keywords=juicer.
They are night and day different juicers and grape seeds don’t do well in the Jack-LaLanne and apples dont do well in the Victorio because it would take all day to cook them down. The Jack-LaLanne keeps enough pulp in the juice to be a true rich cider and not an apple juice.