You had a good post going…until somebody besides me started talking climate emergency.
Put it into the lounge if you don’t want to hear anybody talk that don’t agree with you.
Yes I saw this in the recent reports. As the ocean temperatures shift they will physically expand due to heat, not just addition of meltwater. Climate is a complex system and anyone trying to make it sound simple is probably simple themselves.
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To be honest you took it there. The topic was on track and one very specific bit of recent news was introduced and talked about by people who had read about it. Then you came in talking about farts and showing you weren’t following the conversation at all and had only political soundbites to share. I like your posts here on things you know about, why not bow out gracefully and post another day.
Scroll back up, you were the only one who derailed this thread. You can’t drop into a thread, drop some politicized misinformation, then blame other people for trying to correct you.
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I had the first rebuttal to a speculation on climate.
If that’s a hi-jack, then I’m guilty.
Re-butt out.
C’mon is it really climate speculation for someone to say it’s been a mild winter?? You’re stretching real hard to find someone else to blame.
I’d like to formally apologize to @nosummer for my role in the derailing of this thread, and suggest that it should be moved back to the fruit growing section instead of the lounge (it looks like @fruitnut moved it, but I don’t even think the OP has access to the lounge).
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I do have access. The thread is under moderation and will hopefully be moved back as it’s about fruit. Thanks for saying that though, i also got plenty annoyed myself. I’m just sick of pretending like the kid who comes up to the table at the dinner party and wants to talk about his pee pee has something interesting to say.
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good things about an ice age long term is that ocean levels would drop significantly, so more land with rich soil. Also that tropical temps would drop a few degrees on average so the sub tropics essentially expand significantly which is arguably the most ideal climate for apes like ourselves.
Take in some info on Doggerland or Sundaland, two ancient land masses that were human hotspots that are now underwater.
Stay positive out there guys!
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Wow, just found this thread and wanted to say that’s some incredibly organized planning. I aspire to this level of detail in my future updates on how my parcel is shaping up (once I actually move there end of the month and can get started). Keep up the good work!
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I plan to do a big update with lots of pics once it’s tidied up for spring. There’s been a lot of growth and I’ve done a lot of work since the first post on things like paths, edging, and raised beds, and I’ve returned the grass to meadow so there’ll be native wildflowers everywhere too.
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Your hens look like Australorps. Where did you get them?
Also, do you have experience or have you ever thought of growing paw paws?
Looking forward to the update with photos!
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The chickens are Blackrock = Rhode Island Red X Barred Rock iirc. There are local breeders who visit different small towns around the area on certain days on rotation (including mine) selling pullets.
The breed are very hardy and independent. Great birds for the foraging and being happy in all weather. I have buzzards nesting 100m away and I swear they’re scared of my girls. Have never bred them so not sure how they are as mothers but they’re good layers for sure.
I haven’t grown paw paws as I grew up in Australia where they are everywhere and I hate hate hated them as a kid. I’ve been meaning to try again as an adult to see if that’s still the case. I love a lot of things now I hated then, but you can’t buy them here.
I think there are some well suited to the climate here though, and heard they’re very easy to grow (sunflower and nc1 maybe?).
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I had no idea pawpaws were popular in Australia!
I just started my pawpaws (and American persimmons) last year so I don’t have a great gauge on it but I think part of the “easy” is that they’re native here and more tolerant of our volatile spring weather/late frosts, seem to benefit from warm summers and tolerate hot spells, and don’t have as many pest problems as prunus and pome fruits. We had a record warm February here in Southern WI, and buds are starting to swell on my peaches but my pawpaws and persimmons are still happily sleeping.
I also understand that pawpaws can get pretty beat up by wind – they have such large, tropical looking leaves that I think they’d really need a good protected spot, so I think it’s really a matter of how much space you have to allocate to them in your tunnel and/or south wall?
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I have zero space and plenty of trees in pots waiting for some miraculous space to open up, but I still can’t stop myself sometimes!
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heh heh heh Is there a terminology confusion with pawpaw? Uncertain because you mention sunflower variety… But I doubt Asimina pawpaw will ripen in ireland summers.
PawPaw in America is Asimina Triloba
Pawpaw in Australia is Carica Papaya
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Sorry I was referring to Asimina triloba, which is native to North America I believe. Yeah it’s not the same as papaya XD
I have never tried them as they are really rare in Ireland but the description of the taste seems to appeal to me.
There is a variety Sunflower of asimina triloba, though, I heard that it has somewhat of a funky aftertaste. I know others recommend Peterson improved paw paw varieties and on his website there is a list of nurseries in Europe that stock them (none in Ireland of course!). I’ve found one with best value and that also would ship to Ireland and placed a pre-order for two of Peterson’s earliest ripening varieties of paw paw (you need at least two to produce fruit).
I was told before that for Irish summers early ripening varieties are best re: persimmons so I applied the same logic to paw paws. There is a lady in Portland, Oregon that grows paw paws successfully and I hear that their climate is quite similar to the Irish climate, so I thought I’d give it a go!
Blackrock chickens seem like a lovely breed, I’m thinking of getting some this season!
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From what I understand Oregon and PNW have similar rainfall and winters to us but notably hotter summers so they can grow some things that will also survive here but never produce fruit (or barely any) because it doesn’t get hot enough.
Geez my mind is blown I always thought papaya was just what Americans called pawpaws. In Australia we definitely call them pawpaws but from memory they looked like the pics of papaya instead, with darker flesh and black seeds. I’m honestly not sure what the story is there.
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I think you are right about the summer temperatures, that they are hotter over there, but I think I’ll give it a try anyway!
It’s funny, because the varieties that you named (Sunflower and NC-1) are indeed early varieties of Asimina triloba (Paw Paw) that are said to be more suited to our climate - just looked them up in a book this morning. Others that are recommemded are Davis, Pennsylvania Golden, Prolific and Taylor. I’ve selected Peterson varieties Allegheny and Shenandoah.
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