tragically those pages do not suggest lowering carbs and eliminating also seed oils, since they have indirect effects on metabolic syndrome. They are, at least in my experience, totally incorrect. The result of doing that was to add some 18 lbs, worsen blood sugar, and create other secondary problems for me. Different people at different ages have different sensitivities to carbohydrates. At this point in time, for me northern fruits (I live farther north than virtually everyone in this forum) are fine. those from the supermarket are not. It is good to spend the whole night in bed, the health results exceed the benefits of fruits (which, TBH, are limited to some potassium, obtainable also in less sugary ways). Keto and fasting, though, works for everyone. I can not be keto, as I lunch with my workers most days and have numerous business lunches, but just give my body a two years break, lose all belly fat, normalize blood levels, and then watching carbs ever after, proved to be a real changer for me.
Marknmt, does fermenting jalapeños affect their heat. I love the taste of jalapeño, but they make me cry…
I don’t really want to start a conversation on the ketogenic diet, thats an extremely lengthy conversation. But what I will say is that every person has individual needs and no single diet will ever “work” for everyone. But I am glad to see that you found a diet and lifestyle that works best for you.
They’re still on the warm side but I don’t think they are a very hot pepper. It may make them a little milder.
$.99 for a pound of jalapenos and some salt water makes a pint of fermented peppers - you can try it pretty cheap and it’s a fun experiment that applies to other peppers and so on.
I remember when the average family had 2.37 children. I’m yet to meet one of those average families. Averages are great but once you have a particular scenario then that takes precedence over the averages.
@Dean - I fermented a bunch of nice jalapeno peppers I grew in 2020… and my son and son in law tried them… but they were too hot for them.
They eat them some at a local Mexican restaurant and thought they would like them… but they could not hack it. I did not even try them… don’t like hot stuff myself.
I would say it will depend on the individual… some people really like heat and can tolerate it, some cant.
@glib… you speak of difficulties staying on keto…
My Family went to Walt Disney World - Oct 2019 and I had been on keto for about a month at that point and did strict healthy keto the entire week at WDW.
Talk about a difficult place to stay keto… but when you know if you don’t… you are going to be having more surgery, loosing more of your colon… you can do it. I did.
When we returned from WDW… after about a month more, I did 31 days Carnivore diet (the most extreme version of Keto). Ate no carbs for 31 days.
Completely eliminated my gut pain for the first time since 1984.
Just one of many things that healed by eliminating carbs.
Probably the highest profile people that ate just fruit… Steve Jobs and Ashton Kutcher… serious illnesses.
Did you read the article? Job’s diet wasn’t only fruit, it included vegetables, seeds and nuts and he seems to have only done it for short periods- there’s no reason to believe it had anything to do with his pancreatic cancer- no such link has ever even been tested as far as I know.
Ashton Kutcher was drinking a lot of carrot juice, which back in my hippy days the misunderstanding was that too much of it was toxic (orange skin does look weird), but carrot is a vegetable, of course, and the health affects of drinking juice is a different subject altogether from whole fruit, in terms of how our bodies respond to one or the other.
Besides the timing there is no evidence that Kutchers symptoms were fruit related(whole or juiced) either. I figure the title was created by the editor who made it misleading to pique our interest.
They’re very interesting. I made a batch a while back and they taste radically different from fresh blueberries. Note that like any fermented food they are quite sour, and even more so as they ferment further.
As for the topic, I would expect that excessive whole fruit would be something you worry about after eliminating sweet drinks, fast food, desserts and after controlling white carbs in general and probably a half-dozen other things that don’t come to mind right now.
As with almost everything ,too much of a good thing is usually a bad thing. I have been eating a few servings of different fruits with my pb&j for lunch 3 days a week (persimmons, grapes, apples, pears, bananas, cherimoya etc.) and it hasn’t caught up with me yet. Keep in mind that is not my diet all week and I have no scientific study or blood glucose testing.
I think it comes down to different strokes for different folks, as well as just taking everything in moderation. Drinking too much water will kill you but we need it to live.
If you eat too much fruit I’m confident your body will give you a few reminders on the toilet in one way or another before major damage is done, so pay attention to what it is trying to tell you (and listen).
I contradicted a statement you made in your subsequent post and never read this one (40/72) thoroughly. If I’d read both posts I wouldn’t have responded as I did to the second because taking both posts together I realize any conflict in opinion we have is either superficial or based on my misinterpretation.
The statement about lack of citations had nothing to do with you and everything to do with other opinions posted here contradicting the idea that most people can eat the amount of fruit their appetite calls for and that they enjoy without worry. I think we agree on that, and that’s really the answer to the question the original poster was looking for and wondering about.
Case closed for me and I’m ready to move on to the next interesting controversy.
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Four apples may contain the same amount of sugar as 24 ounces of soda, but the slow rate of absorption minimizes any surge in blood sugar.
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There are people on youtube (diabetics and people eating keto style to reverse T2D, improve health)
They have blood gluecose meters… some of the newer devices attach to your arm and give you a continuous reading of blood gluecose levels.
Details are recorced in your smart phone…
I watched some last night…
It takes about 15 minutes for your blood glucose levels to spike upwards after eating an apple and the spike peaked out for about an hour and then slowly declined back to normal range at the 2 hour mark.
This is for a individual whose pancreas can successfully fight against the flood of glucose by pumping out loads of insulin.
He tested red apples (looked like a gaila) and green apple… possibly granny smith… and got similar results with both… with the red apple peaking a bit higher than the green. He also tested grapes, banana, blueberries.
Grapes gave the highest spike, bananas were the next worst… then the apples… and blueberries were by far the less offensive blood sugar spike wise. Much lower than the others.
For someone whose pancreas is shot from all the wear and tear of battling the continuous multiple times a day floods of glucose… and the inflamation that causes…
1/4 of an apple raised their bloood glucose levels… but not by a huge amount… this person has diabeties… and they considered the spike from 1/4 of an apple to be acceptable… (higher than normal but not too high) but the elevated blood sugar remained elevated for extended period… without insulin injection.
Most of my carbs come from very low carb veggies like greens and okra… asparagus, broccoli, green beans. and low carb berries strawberries raspberries blackberries blueberries.
Blood sugar spikes are normally respondeed to by your body with insulin spikes… (if you still have a healthy functioning pancreas)…
When your blood is flooded with glucose and insulin… it generates inflamation… in kidneys, liver, pancreas, arteries, brain, gut, etc.
That inflamation… repeated multuple times a day… (standard american diet at least 4 5 6 times a day)… slowly over time results in liver kidneys pancreas being damaged/diseased to the point of no longer being able to function as needed.
It also causes arthritus in your joints to flare up… and in your gut… leaky gut issues. Those are the two that return for me immediatly after having too many carbs for a few days.
They also go away as soon as i correct my diet for a few days.
My wife does not have the gut issues that i do… but she has similar, but worse arthritus issues than me… and her experience is just like mine… over eat carbs for a few days (yes we do that some on special occasions… Thanksgiving, Christmas, Vacation)… and when we do her arthritus comes back with a vengeance. It can take her two weeks or more of ketosis to get her pain to go away again.
Not everyone is as severely affected as i am by carbs… (just my luck)… others are much more severely affected… 1/4 of an apple would seriously make them deathly ill. Carnivore Phill can be found on youtube… Mikaela Peterson is another… so sevierly affected by carbs… not even talking about fruit carbs… but even low carb veggies… makes them bed ridden with health issues. Beef salt water is what their bodies require to thrive.
There are much more exteeme cases out there than me… thousands of those now have found help and recorded their own personal testimonies on meatrx.com.
Ken Berry who you may have absolutely no respect for… went to school (xray and radiation therapy) with my wife. He took that path to becoming a Doctor. My wife remembers him in class as being someone who did not bring his books to class… took no notes… and made straight A’s. Just a super intelligent guy.
He is big on keto and carnivore for the same reasons so many more are. It works. Without it multiple illnesses… with it they all go away.
5 years or so ago… i was very ill… trips to the ER with colon blockages, severe gut pain, severe arthritus. Neck pain creaking and popping as i turned my head… right side burning inflimation and arthritus in Hip knee ankle. This was my 3rd time to experience getting this bad.
My GI doc did 6 colonoscopy on me that year… prescribed me lots of meds that had huge list of side effects and were very expensive… but never once gave me any advice on diet.
Thank God… i found my way eventually to people like Ken Berry and others online who had done the testing and proved the results and were sharing their success stories online.
That is how i managed to get my health back… and avoid that third surgery and the reason i am still healthy today.
For anyone else out there that may be having serious health issues… and perhaps you think there is nothing you can do about it… for example reversing T2D…
I found a top 10 carnivore vid on youtube last night that listed and ranked those sources. Not your standard healthcare advice sources… but without a doubt healed me.
Some of thest people are very intelligent and some are very entertaining.
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I’ve said several times that individuals may have a different reaction to foods than the vast majority of people, but it is unlikely that Paul is one of these people- you apparently are. You’ve made your point and I believe I’ve made mine.
The topic wasn’t about diets in general and I’m glad you’ve found one that works for you, although I certainly wouldn’t want too many human beings to follow your lead. Commercially produced meat is environmentally destructive and extremely inefficient as a means of producing calories for 7 billion people. .
You can reverse T2D, my brother in law did. He’s vegetarian all his adult life, but he substituted meat for fried food, like chips and cakes, he’s pretty tall and thin. So he added turkey meat back, no ripe banana, etc… and he’s able to reverse it.
@alan … save the plant by getting rid of meat ?
There is a huge anti meat agenda … but you should really consider if they have the facts correct. They could just be dead wrong… and their actions could cause so much more harm to our world.
In my experience, most scientific facts, even seemingly contradicting ones, find their way into text, especially if they are important enough to pertain to big agriculture. Corn and soy growers want people to eat copious amounts of meat as much as ranchers and there are land grant universities in states where the mandate would be to support the beef industry. Does the face on you link inspire you with confidence that he is a credible purveyor of scientific information? Please stop posting these videos if your goal is to reach me, and find some peer reviewed research to support you position.
I still believe in science, even if it is often perverted by corporate interests.
I’m really glad that you have your health back. It sounds like you had a very difficult go of it. But yours is a pretty unique situation. Lots of really sick people do lots of things to get healthy that won’t be right for me or most other people.
I’ve enjoyed reading about your story but given your situation can you really be so sure that what made you healthy is right for everyone else or even for a significant segment of the population?
Maybe we should pay more attention to the people that have never been sick, aren’t overweight, are really active and productive, and have a really healthy profile. Guess what, those types get little attention. Who do overweight people go to for advice, those that have lost a great deal of weight or someone who’s never been overweight?
@fruitnut … here is what I would recommend anyone do if suffering from some type of health issue.
Yes… see a good Doctor… i do myself… but i do not trust my Doctor to know everything… because i went to doctors on a regular basis, specialists in my condition… that had no idea how to heal my condition. Instead they recommmended some very costly meds with huge lists of nasty possible aide effects… they offered treatments, procedures, surgery, very costly stuff… that only treated symptoms or helped temporarily and then my problem came right back.
My problem was something i was putting in my mouth (carbs in excess)… more than my body could handle.
Not one single doctor or specialist or surgeon ever recommend i reduce my carb intake.
I finally found out those details by researching it myself online. In the past 5 years or so… much more good details have been posted online by individuals on keto diet results… carnivore diet results.
10 years ago… you simply could not find it.
My condition and many more are healed or seriously improved by this way of eating.
All of the people in that Top 10 video above… have videos posted where they give details on their own personal health isaue… and how it was healed or seriously improved by simply changing their diet.
Very common mentions are any of the diseases that Doctors call autoimmune diseases. If you are reading this and you have autoimmune disease issue… watch their videos… they may have the same problem as you… or had the same problem as you and now it is healed.
It took about 20 days of eating different to completely heal a painful disease i had active and affecting me in serious ways… since 1984.
If you watch the videos of those top 10… where they tell their own personal story… you are going to hear reports from them that are very similar to mine.
You can then decide if you want to try the same type of diet change to see how it affects you.
Ps… someone that just needs to loose a little weight, or perhaps has a little annoying arthritis… will probably not be successful at making the diet change. But someone that is really fed up with being sick and nearly dead… (that is where i was)… they may just go thru it and have great success.
But you have no way of knowing if your return to health is the result of your specific new diet or of one or a few aspects of it that could have been achieved through a different venue. That is what research is for.
For over a thousand years perfectly intelligent doctors believed in blood letting to get the impure blood out of the body and cure most diseases, a procedure practiced millions of times that seemed to the vast majority involved to be very helpful.
How is your endorsement different than this? There is a reason that the scientific method accelerated genuine understanding of diseases and vastly improved treatments.