Dar Sofiyivky
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Yes, that square shaped fruit is a real McCoy!!!
Tony
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Square fruit… and wavy leaves.
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Even if they don’t ripen, we’ll probably get to see what the shape of the fruit is for comparison!
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Ok, so my purported Dar Sofiyivki put out some larger leaves in a second flush of growth. Nothing very definitive either way, at least to my eyes. But it looks more like the leaves on the confirmed correct ones above. The tricky thing is that there is more than one leaf shape. Based on the buds and ‘feel’ of the leaves, I’m at least fairly confident it’s a hybrid.
What do you folks think? Am I suffering from confirmation bias?
I’m pretty convinced leaf shape alone is not a good way to differentiate between hybrid and Americans. Between in ground trees and my nursery bench, I have 4 types of hybrids, 3 of Americans, and a bunch of seedlings. Within a variety, the shape is fairly consistent. But the leaf shape is all over the map, particularly with the Americans. There’s a lot of overlap in shape between the two classes.
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Hate to dissapoint but the reddish petioles and the lack of lenticels suggests something else.
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It’s quite possible. I will say that this year’s growth was a little funny and wimpy. Last year had lenticels that were well within the published descriptions. I believe the petioles were not red at all last year, but I’m having difficulty finding the photos to back that up.
Edit: found a photo from last year! It wasn’t the focus of the image, but it definitely shows green petioles.
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Beautiful DS fruits. Congratulations. One of these days all of us will have one in our backyard!
Tony
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Thank you very much for the kind words!
I think that the hybrid persimmon varieties Dar Sofiyivka and Sosnovskaya are very promising for growing in regions with colder weather, I mean those regions where it is impossible to grow eastern persimmon varieties. These varieties have remarkable characteristics in terms of frost resistance, early ripening, yield and self-fertility.
Respectfully, Alexander.
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That is very heavy fruiting. That tree looks great!
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Thank you very much
So just to confirm, the dar sofiyivky from Cliff Englands trees are believed to be the real deal?
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It’s my understanding that England’s may have both but have confirmed they do have at least one of the correct ones.
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I have a couple trees of the maybe Dar Sofiyivky in my nursery bed. If anyone would want roll the dice and has any grafted trees they could trade let me know those winter .
I am searching for this variety in the EU to try and grow it in Denmark.
However i cannot find it anywhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
@SteadyStan … I got 2 scions of DS from you last winter… one was source 1 and the other source 2. Appreciate much you sending me those.
At that point you were most confident that your source 1… was the real deal. I grafted it to a wild dv rootstock in my orchard… which unfortunately suffered a serious psylliad attack and the graft failed.
I grafted your source 2 scion to a wild dv near my mailbox and it was successful and has grown well.
Do you know more about your source 2 scion yet ? Might it be the real deal too ?
Thanks
TNHunter