ID Persimmon vs tupelo black gun trees

I have a fare number of wild persimmon and Black gum trees on my property; only trouble is I’m having difficulty telling them apart when they are young.

Generally the black gums tend to have a little more of a tear drop shaped leaf than the persimmons, but that does not always hold true.

So can anyone out there help me ID young trees successfully so I don’t waste time and scion wood on the wrong root stock please?

thanks
Larry

Google should tell the difference by the buds.

Persimmon leaves tend feel fuzzy, black gum is smooth.

Blackgum


Persimmon


I think you’re confusing “fare” and “fair” …