I don’t think you can say an apple is good based on brix and pH. If you like the taste of the apple then it’s good Thats what really matters.
Brix alone does not define a fruit as good. Sure it helps because most people like the taste of sweetness. It could taste as sweet as honey but if the texture feels like your eating broken bone fragments you’ll hate it.
yeah…what speedster said. Brix don’t mean jack as to how good an apple is. We maybe (myself included) talk a bit too much about brix, but mostly it’s for comparison within a specific variety, not for defining the quality of one.
Speedster nailed it concerning texture. For most folks, texture of an apple is paramount is determining acceptance of a specific apple variety. Susan Brown mentioned this in one of Cornell’s videos.
Bottom line is, if you like it a lot, then it’s a great variety for you.
There’s certainly something to be said for your opinion considering the popularity of Honeycrisp. But maybe people are just saying they don’t like the mealy, stored-to-long, crud they often get in the store. Apples like Golden Delicious can be very good in top condition. But they certainly aren’t good after being picked green and stored too long.
Also consider that the commercial apple supply system can ruin anything. I’ve bought Honeycrisp 4-5 times and all I’ve gotten so far is total crud I won’t give to my enemies.
Also don’t project your tastes too far onto others. We’re all different.
Fruitnut…I’m not projecting my taste on to anyone. I simply supported speedsters statement on the implied importance of texture. It IS paramount and is stated so by the head of Cornell’s breeding program, which did not consult with me by the way.
For example? What is to be said fruitnut of my opinion of Honeycrisp’s popularity? BTW…who said anything of Honeycrisp, save for you of course?
Ok, fine. And this means what?
Then you need to evaluate where you shop, and more importantly, how you shop for produce.
If you disagree with me, then you are disagreeing with speedster, Susan Brown as well as the zillions of other consumers who have voiced their opinions with their shopping dollars. You see, apparently we’re not all that much different when it comes to texture. Folks are pretty much unanimous in their desire for crisp, crunchy
apples. Maybe that’s because crispness etc is equated with freshness, I don’t know. Maybe we just like it, but the fact remains. I know of not a single solitary, mainstream modern variety with a less than breaking texture, regardless of brix. You don’t either, because there aren’t any. Are you seriously doubting or drawing into question my very simple and non-opinionated reply to Sara?
Texture does matter to me, but I’ll tolerate indifferent texture if the flavor is great. Great crunch or snap are fun enough, but I won’t bother with an apple that doesn’t have the kind of flavor I like. Put the right texture and crunch with the right flavor … mmmm, yes!
Given the wide variety of opinion on Honeycrisp I’m guessing there’s some very good HC and some barely tolerable. I notice that Fujis that are too big are almost always worthless. Just pumped up with water and they taste like it. HC that I’ve had are big on texture and sweetness but completely lacking in complex flavor- but in the right conditions, evidently they can be wonderful.
Back to the original thread what makes a fruit good is completely subjective and everyone is different. I can give examples of sweet fruit I love and some that I don’t care for that much. in my opinion brix doesn’t equal taste. There are all kinds of compounds is foods that work with sweetness, tartness, saltiness, etc that make fruit taste unique. You can have a very sweet fruit with what is considered good texture that just doesn’t float my boat. Like Asian Persimmons (sorry persimmon lovers). To my they were sweet and had a good texture but their flavor just wasn’t that interesting for my tastes. I don’t dislike them but there are lots of things I prefer to them. An example of a very sweet fruit with poor texture to me would be certain sweet cherries. I love cherry flavor and they are nice and sweet but I can’t stomach soft cherries. I just won’t eat them. I prefer cherries that are firm with a bit of crunch. Or a lot of European pears can be very sweet but if they have a very gritty texture I don’t want to eat them.
On the flip side, texture can not be the only thing a fruit has going for it. I also have eaten many apples that have a great bite to them but just do not have any flavor. And honeycrisp can be one of them. I’ve had some that have blown my socks off and I had some a few months ago that I through out the window because they sucked.
Bottom line, if you like the taste of the apples it’s a good tree. Keep it as long as its healthy
Sara, aside from taste, it will ultimately depend. You may grow an apple out and be disappointed in it for the first two or three years and then find it much better as the tree matures. Some years are better than others in the same way that wine grapes have vintages. And what’s good for one apple may be hard on another.
Check out this thread for some thoughtful, useful comments on apple varieties: