You appear to have mastered ‘salvia’. 
I don’t eat the seeds, I only eat the flesh. But I eat and do tons of things that are sleep inducing too. I eat lots of cherries and peaches and they also help with sleep. I also eat a lite dinner, more like a snack at around 3pm. I do lot of garden work, etc… I think maybe a combination of the above helps. By the end of the day, I can hardly keep my eyes open, and I do sleep more than 8 hours. If I eat cheese in the evening, I dream really well.
This article also says it’s a sugar reducer, I do eat tons of sweet and I don’t have diabetes either.
2 Likes
My young jujubes are mostly in 2 to 4 gallon pots (a few in small 4" pots). I guess I’ve always under-watered pots- I would generally water when things start wilting (if I notice…).
Almost a month ago, I posted pics of a potted Black Sea which I made this spring by grafting BS to a root-section from a transplanted jujube.
I guess I wasn’t watering enough and all the fruit dropped. After I noticed that, as well as some other plants(non jujube) almost dying, I’ve started watering every 1-2 days, over the last 2 weeks. All the potted jujubes look to be putting on more growth and the Black Sea has a new set of fruit on one of the side branches that grew this year (original fruit which fell was from a bud on the scion or just above it).
7/23 (fruit which has since fallen):
8/21 (today- new fruit):
A potted Confetti also has quite a few fruit on it.
I’m not sure about other towns, but mine collects leaves in the fall, composts them, and makes the black leaf mold (looks like rich soil) available (edit- an area of the transfer station (dump) where you can help yourself from March to November).
I’ve top-dressed jujubes with it before and when I get a dry-site (one which doesn’t hold much water- if the lawn doesn’t grow well in normal summers that is a hint…), I’ve started to mix some in when planting. I should probably mix even more in, based on that Australian video where the farmer’s son accidentally planted a bunch of trees in pure horse manure and he was shocked to see them do well.
2 Likes
I have two young trees that are 7’ tall that flowered last year and this year without any fruits. Is it normal for jujube?
1 Like
That depends on their variety. A GA866, may need another 5-10 years (if ever), while a Bok Jo or Honey Jar often has a handful of fruit in year #2 and increasing each year after.
Aside from the variety, are they in full sun? Getting enough water? And are the varieties different for pollination?
It depends on the location, I bought my GA-866 from Tree Antiquity last year, we have fruit this year. Not much, but about 12-20 fruit.
1 Like
That could be.
Are you certain you got the correct variety?
Jujubes seem to be more frequently mislabeled than other fruit.
I am pretty sure they are not GA866. U fortunately they are not Bok Jo or honey jar. They are in full sun and prob not getting enough water. But the leaves look good and not water stressed.
These are the two that are flowering and should pollinate each other? May be it’s time for me to learn grafting!
I hope I will get a few next year.
True, though Katie is in the same state as me. I assume that GA866 must produce somewhere, otherwise people wouldn’t plant it
Are they different varieties, or are they the same, such as two Li? You usually need at least 2 varieties for pollination.
There is some some ambiguity in the above statement, as I think some are self-pollinating and I remember seeing a paper which talked about how some jujube are morning blooming vs afternoon blooming. So you may just need 1, or could need 4. Better to just get a lot
2 Likes
It’s the right variety, it looks like what I bought and taste from the farmers market.
This coming year I have to buy some scions, unfortunately price of jujube trees have double. I rather take risk this way. Do I need to buy any special tape or wax.
I’d suggest Parafilm M film. You can use that to cover the scion, other than where you connect it to the host tree.
Here’s a link to it on Amazon, though I’m not sure why the price has gone up so much. I bough the same item in April for $27 (last time I ordered was 2017, so it lasted me almost 5 years). I see that ebay has some smaller quantities for less, so you may want to consider them.
Don’t worry about the width- I use scissors to cut my 2" wide to 1" strips. If you get a 4", it’s just a few more cuts.
To actually hold the graft together, I use rubber electrical tape (also called splicing tape). Not vinyl tape, as that won’t stretch as well and eventually needs to be removed. I just leave the tape there and it holds for a few years, making it easy for me to see the graft union. That, and I don’t need to go around removing tape from a few hundred grafts. Here are a few good options.
Temflex:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/3M-Temflex-2155-Rubber-Splicing-22-ft/3129711
So, when I go out grafting, I bring the following, often in a paper grocery bag:
- Scions (hopefully separately bagged and/or labeled- it’s easy to mix them up)
- Pruners (Felco are good) to cut the host tree
- Either a florist’s knife or a razor (utility knife) to make the wedge on the scion and cut the cleft in the host
- A heavy leather glove for my left hand (helps avoid cuts when the knife slips)
- Rubber electrical tape (to connect union
- Parafilm (I like to put parafilm on ahead of time when I store the wood, but I also add parafilm on top of the electrical tape)
Also, let me know in Jan/Feb if you’d like any scionwood.
1 Like
I emailed Prof Yao and asked about the results of the jujube genetic tests. She shared some results which answered a few questions which have come up.
This year I have a couple Russia #2 which are more productive than my Black Sea, so I was starting to think they could be different.
But, per Prof Yao:
Black Sea=Russian #2
I thought that they were both very similar as well, but it turns out they are just a bit different.
Massandra and Maya has only one base pair difference, almost identical
I’m not sure, but maybe this is the result of a sport (spontaneous mutation, such as some of the redder Red Delicious, or early ripening Fuji)…
7 Likes
Thanks, Bob re. Dr. Yao’s responses.
I don’t have much space. Thus, I don’t need Russian 2 and Maya as they are similar to Black Sea and Massandra respectively.
I hope my Massandra will size up. I like the fruit but it is on a smaller size.
2 Likes
Good to know.
Years ago I gave away my Russian #2 and later regretted it because I never gave the graft time to mature and produce better fruit.
One of my Russia #2 had fruit about 5 months after being planted and it was top-quality. The Black Sea on the other hand took 4-5 years, but I think part of that was the tiny 1gal potted tree that OGW sent. The one I grafted to a root section this spring is at least twice the size of the OGW tree…
But, since both turned out to be the same cultivar, it just stresses how important growing conditions are…
Russia #2 in 2020, soon after planting (3 fruit on tree):
Same Russia #2 now(in year #3):
5 Likes
Glad to see good variety like that being productive. When you eat them, can you tell the difference between Black Sea and Russian 2?
1 Like
For me, Black Sea and Russia #2 were both top quality. Sweet, crisp and juicy like Honey Jar.
In a recent post, I mentioned that if I was starting an orchard with 100 trees, I’d plant 40 Bok Jo, 40 Honey Jar, 10 Russia #2, and 10 of various large-fruited varieties (maybe Dae Sol Jo having a bit of an edge). The reason I favored Russia #2 over Black Sea was because of productivity- the fruit was about the same.
5 Likes
Today I found my very first jujube fruit. Didn’t see this hiding towards the top of the tree. This my first and only jujube.
8 Likes
