Late summer grafting or budding

[BG1977]

I’d be willing to throw a few bucks your way for some budwood.

[Hillbillyhort]

@BG1977. Will trade , Spring is best, contact me then

[Graftman]

Update:
My cleft grafts stayed dormet through the rest of summer and fall and budded out this spring. I may try something like that again late this summer just to see if it was luck or if it can reliably be done.

[Ahmad]

In July 2019 I cleft-grafted a green branch from one of my nectarine trees to another, a month later the graft leaved-out but no further growth happened. This year this graft had three nice and strong branches growing out of it, successfully converting one scaffold to a different variety. To me that’s better than any summer budding.

[DennisD]

Hi Hillbilly
This spring around March 1st, I performed a number of chip buds to add more varieties to my Chocolate tree. About the time the trees buds were breaking I unwrapped the bud part only of each chip bud leaving the graft wrapped with parafilm mainly to make certain no mold was forming that would damage the buds. Then today I inspected each: although each one appears very healthy None have yet broken out even though we have been in the 70’s for about 4 weeks here in Seattle area. But I noticed that my parafilm was too tight causing some girdling, so I removed all parafilm and rewrapped each graft with a more gentle sealing plastic to keep buds protected. My question is this: Do you tip prune above the budgrafts to encourage them to grow during this summer? Or should I wait until next spring to prune just above each graft. The tree is currently full of fruit but I could prune all limbs to stop terminal growth at this time and encourage my new chip buds to grow. Any ideas about next step? I would appreciate knowing what has worked for you.
Sincerely

DennIs Dowdy

[Hillbillyhort]

By chocolate , i assume you are speaking of persimmon.
I chip bud early as soon as temps are suitable and cut everything off above the bud then, forcing the bud into growth early , it’s getting late to force new growth this year as it is almost August .
You may be best to force that bud next spring,as any growth now may not harden off by winter.?

[Hillbillyhort]

May want to get another opinion from someone in your area.?

[RandallW]

Interesting. I just posted this to the 2020 grafting thread;

@RandallW

I would like to hear comments on this video I just watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5CbGNNHcWQ
I was always told that grafting is done in the spring with dormant scions of the previous years growth. Those are the rules I always followed. This violate those rules.

The video is in Russsian but is very self explanatory. It amazes me that he is grafting with green wood (bud sticks) in the middle of summer with good results. He grafted on July 22 of this year and had 4 leafed out branches a week later. It looks like he cut back the rootstock and did not leave any nurse branches. Perhaps the sap had no place to go but up.
I would like to give that a try. No doubt removing leaves and tenting reduces desiccation.
I am wondering if comparable results could be had by cutting off one branch of a more mature tree and grafting to it, or would the fact that there are other paths for the sap make a difference?

[Ahmad]

You have my results Randall to further support your finding . Go for it, but I think covering the graft with foil or paper bag is necessary to protect from the intense summer sun. Also, removing other competing branches helps a lot, whether you are grafting in summer or spring.

[danzeb]

This August I accidentally cut off a branch of Yakima plum that I had successfully grafted a few years ago. I took two pencil thick pieces about 12 inches long and cleft grafted them to a full size Santa Rosa plum tree. Each scion had two leaves. I just noticed a few days ago that they both still have their two leaves and one of them was two 6 inch new branches. I’m going to try some additional summer grafting next year.