Looking for ideas to train and trellis table Grapes

We inherited these un-known variety table grapes vines with the house. They produce great tasting fruit but the trellis/support put by the previous owner is not working anymore and is collapsing. Both vines are facing east and get good amount of sunlight and roughly 7ft tall.

I am looking some ideas what is the best way to train them and build a trellis/support for these vines.

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cheapest way out is a 5’ x 14’ cattle panel tied off to 4 heavy t posts or could cut in half instead if you dont have much room. just cut the vine to 5ft and train next year’s cordons to the top.

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Cattle panel behind the vine 14’ vertically? since we don’t know what kind of variety I am having hard time to figure out pruning/training technique.

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no. horizontally. could do vertical if you had a way to reinforce it.

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The best guide on training and growing is From vines to wine in your local library.
For trellis I use 4” diameter black poly sewer pipe sunk into the ground with a concrete base as the rot proof lifelong solution. Use a 2” bit to drill holes to receive 2” diameter aluminum pipes as your horizontals at the height you want to train the vines to grow. Then you can train your cordons parallel to your horizontals.
Dennis
Kent, wa

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Dennis can you please post a picture of your trellis.

Can anyone identify what kind of grapes are these? obviously something that works well for Portland, OR rainy climate. Should this be contained using Cane or Spur pruning?

The vine grows crazy pretty much all around the yard (not shown in the picture but one vine is growing on the ground and already 20ft long.

We have stopped caring to get grapes since they are hidden and moldy.

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need to thin out the leaves so sun and air can get to your grapes. my panel runs east to west so the n.w wind hits the back of the trellis right onto the grapes.

the picture is from last year. No fruit this year because I cut off all the the fruiting shoots since they were invading the all over the lawn. I haven’t found a method to tame this crazy lol.

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Sure
The basic foundation is all rot proof, first pic shows the vertical with two horizontal 2” conduits


Second pic shows my woodframe above slides down into the sewer pipes and extends the vertical to a y shape so that I can train my new shoots each year to get more sun with a y configuration. Guidewires parallel to ground allows me to tie the new shoots as they grow each year.
Each spring I cut those vertical shoots off back to within one or two buds above the cordon.

This trellis is about 20 years old and in a year or so I may have to replace the wood parts, but the black poly should outlast me!
Dennis

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Update: Of the two vines from my previous post, I got one removed and kept one. The vine I removed was anyways struggling to wake up from dormancy (probably because of the roots removed during digging up the lawn for drainage improvement). Built this trellis and used two canes from the previous year, I’ll switch to spur training next year.