Neighbor let herbicide spray drift onto me for 3rd time : Big Correction!


#100

Please calm down guys. This leads to no result. Everybody stated his opinion thoroughly now.


#103

The issue at hand has actually been reduced to personal attacks and has nothing to do with overspray. These disagreements are disrespectful to Kevin @thecityman who started the topic to discuss being oversprayed. Highly recommend we look for resolution. I will say clearly if comments are directed at anyone specifically that is crossing the line. I will once again request you please be civil to each other! This argument is not solving anything but rather causing hard feelings.


#104

We remain a civil society by following laws. The laws of this forum and most are that criticism should never be directed at a person. If you disagree with a comment, stick to that comment and don’t personalize your objection by criticizing the person.

If you feel someone else has crossed the line, don’t retaliate- instead, flag the comment and leave the topic. If you really have to say something personal, at least put it into a personal message and don’t make us all have to put up with the mess. Other people’s fights are not enjoyable to those watching on the outside, which is almost always the vast majority.

Incidentally, this forum was founded by a man who was a virtual pioneer of organic growing methods in the east coast and does all he can to reduce his use of synthetic materials and realize a decent harvest. In the past, I’ve argued with him about the concept of organic production being superior to the judicious use of some synthetic intervention.

Over the years, we’ve benefited from our disagreements, or at least I have, and this forum has always been a haven for fruit growers of all philosophies.

However, if you harbor anger at others because they have different opinions about how to grow fruit, take it to your priest, psychologist or bartender. Do not come here to proselytize about the superior morality of your methods. .

Drew, I chose your comment not to signal you out, but because the sentence you wrote was perfect for illustrating my point.

This topic has the dubious distinction of raising more flags, by far, than any on this forum preceding. Any comments not related to to the title of the topic should be taken to the lounge, which is a better category for these types of arguments.


#105

I see from the forecast here, at least in z6, better days are coming. I see the rains are bringing out everyone to this site. I’m only on here when it rains. :joy: now, everyone, go back to gardening!! Peace!
courtney


#106

A couple of key points about plant damage from herbicide that I did not see discussed.

Dicamba drift became a big issue after new GMO products allowed it to be sprayed over the top of certain crops like cotton or soybeans. This requires special training and certification in my state, but damage from Dicamba to adjacent crops has been substantial. The pesticide inspector told me that he gets more complains about Dicamba damage than anything else.

Roundup applied around fruit trees is not as safe as once thought. This topic has been discussed at most seminars on for commercial apple and peach production in NC. Glufosinate is the suggested replacement with only one Roundup application suggested per year before June. I have not noticed any damage from Roundup to my trees but I’m following the newer recommendation.


#108

We have discussed it among the admins and decided in the spirit of the fruit community we all try to foster here - cordiality, respect, politeness, etc. - we are deleting some of the comments.

It’s a difficult task because if we delete too many posts, many of the comments in the thread lose their context. Admittedly, it comes down to some judgement calls.

Be aware any continuing comments on this thread which add nothing to fruit growing, and continue to bait and foster personal arguments will also be subject to deletion.

Staff does not like to delete posts and uses this prerogative very seldom (i.e. spam posts, over the top language, etc.) but we see no other alternative to get this thread off a personal level and back onto growing fruit. Again please let’s get back to fruitful fruit growing discussions on this thread.


#109

Being new to fruit growing, I am curious what the purpose is for spraying roundup around the base of fruit trees.


#110

For weed control.


#111

I get that, but why? I understand with young trees you don’t want the competition for water and nutrients, but established trees I would think wouldn’t be bothered by surrounding vegetation.


#112

For me its a few things. First, I’ve bumped and consequently damaged more fruit tree trunks than I want to admit. By spraying I create a nice little safety area so I don’t have to get as close to the trunk with my mower. Furthermore, several of my trees have limbs that are low enough that I hit them when I mow under the tree. By spraying and killing these weeds, I don’t have to mow under the limbs so I don’t hit them. Hitting limbs may not damage the tree the way hitting the trunk does, but what often happens is I knock fruit off the limbs. That may not be a big deal long-term, but anyone who has accidentally knocked a nice piece of fruit off a tree knows it can hurt your heart!
Third, I do it because there is competition for water and nutrients. I think you are right in saying that an adult tree with deep, long roots is not harmed much by the competition of wees. But I want my trees to have every advantage possible, even if it is just a few extra ounces of water or “food”
Last but not least, I personally just think it makes my orchard look nicer. I mulch my trees and grass grows up through the mulch after a while to the point where you can’t see the mulch. After spraying you can. I think those little brown circles look so much better than just having weed or grass growing up to the tree- but of course that is just opinion.

Thank you, and you are correct. I genuinely was curious if he had any kind of verifiable information or even what his own theory was on how a scion exposed to spray would somehow transfer the spray that contacts a 6 inch scion into the new full sized tree and then fruit produced 4 years later. I suspect his theory is that it somehow changes the DNA but I can only guess why he feels this way-which is why I asked.

Best comment on this thread, IMO, and I’d like to thank you for saying it. I often feel like my level of expertise is so far below many folks on here that I don’t contribute much to the knowledge base this site contains. But in cases like this one, it is my sincere hope that just by reporting my own experience and even my problems, others will learn and I will have made a meaningful contribution to the community and the overall “tree” of knowledge that exists here. I really do hope people just like yourself have learned that copper can and will damage leaves and cause them to drop in massive amounts . (Its seems pretty certain now that copper was the problem). Furthermore, it is my hope that not only will the people here now learn about the potential problems with copper, but also that future fruit growers using this website will find this thread using the site’s search engine and will benefit from what me and others here have learned.


#113

If my body no longer contains the cough medicine I was given at 10 years old, I don’t expect a grown tree to retain the spray from the original cutting it grew from; it would’ve long been metabolized and/or eliminated by the time it grew. That said, if he doesn’t want sprayed branches, it’s his prerogative.

I myself have somewhat strong feelings against agro-chemicals (particularly *-cides, not so much ferts), but I don’t consider them an absolute deal-breaker. I trust that my fellow fruit growers will use their good judgement, and not send me something that will overtly poison me.

I once bought a daylily from ebay with the intent to eat from it, and on asking about the matter, the seller said they would send my particular roots untreated, so I could harvest the first season with confidence. So I’m sure if you raise any concerns with the person you’re dealing with, they’ll take your preferences into account.

As a related tangent, I bought some snail baits that were said to be “organic” (Garden Safe was the brand). I decided not to use them for a while, out of concern for my local millipede population (they’re wonderful little compost makers). I ended up using it as the snail and slug population started booming again, and while I haven’t checked on the millipede population lately, I think they’re probably doing fine in the compost pile – I know the centipedes are doing fine.

The snail baits did come with the standard warnings, but as they were safe to use with root veggies, I wasn’t too concerned. My question to those who aren’t as ignorant as I am… ¿Should I be concerned about the snail baits?


#114

I am glad to know you were not in kind trying to troll me too.

In short, my point was that if I were to acceot from strangers scions, and they use multiple poisons regularly, it may still have some of it on the scion. So besides scientists may have done studies on that, I do know that trace chemicals impact other plants.

For example all my neighbors and me hate how many poisons of unknown names onto the grass. One day we were notified keep pets off grass 48 hours as moss killer was sprayed. I have never seen moss in the grass here, but where Iused to live it did not bother me. My cat eats grass, dogs poop in the grass, and kids walk barefoot in it. 2 years ago my grapes were affected by one of these many weed killers. I had an ingredient causing less fruits to ripen and took a year to improve. I researched the damage to the grape leaves is how I discovered it was not a virus but chemical. The studies showed grapes are very sensitive to many chemicals and suggested to use a different weed killing mix which does not contain that chemical. Last year no deformed leaves and fruiting was a bit better.

In that one herbicide used, it never was sprayed on my grapes or even near it. They said in the article merely being in the wind a tiny trace would do that. So with the complexity of genes, human, animal, and plant, and that fruiting and leafing can be dramatically impacted if you use certain chemicals, I really do not want to get something saturated in who knows what and graft it, and then anything bad happen…be it to my other plants nearby, to that plant itself, or to me.

As I PMd an admin, we have too much cancer in my family. Anything that I can eat or grow with as little poisons I will. Nobody else has to copy my ways. But I do have that choice myself to watch what I consume.


#115

With established mature trees, I think it depends on a number of factors (soil, type of tree, vigor of rootstock, etc.). For example, in my climate where the soil is good and summer rain generally plentiful, mature peach trees still tend to slow down too much, if sod is allowed to grow up next to the trunk. Optimum fruiting wood is a shoot about 18" to 24" long. Mature peach trees surrounded by close sod tend not to produce that type of good wood, assuming they are growing peaches, and not taking a year off because of frosts. They will produce a lot of 4" or 6" shoots, which don’t grow the very best peaches.

I think a mature apple on standard roots may well benefit if surrounded by sod. They generally have so much vigor anyway, the sod may calm them a little bit.


#116

Thank You, I will have to pay attention to the growth of my trees and the growth around them to see if this is a problem I need to address.


#117

Except for Creekweb. I don’t know any more about Creekweb beyond reading his posts to the old forum, but those posts gave me tremendous respect for him, especially his knowledge of persimmons. I still check the old forum just to see his updates, like an excellent one most recently on the new hybrid persimmon Kasandra.


#118

Another notable GW forum member is Konrad from Far North, experienced, innovative and an excellent photographer.


#119

Why can’t all the peripheral discussion from this thread be taken to the politics category? If I were a moderator, and if I had been following this discussion from the beginning, I would have removed every tangential comment after Scott’s recommendation to move on. Even if these kind of discussions are appropriate for the General Fruit Growing category, they’re hijacking this thread. If anyone wants to continue any of the tangential discussion, I’d encourage you to do so, but take it to the Politics category. I’m going to go ahead and start a thread there just for that purpose.


#120

This will be a first:

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#121

Do you have an idea you bad the situation is with Dicamba drift in NC? I’ve read really bad stories from Arkansas and Missouri, but I haven’t heard anything else yet.


#122

I doubt the situation has improved. Looks like the drift in NC is effecting Tobacco and specialty crops which carry a high dollar value per acre.

Also noticed that Farm Bureau insurance now had a new endorsement where you can add coverage for spray drift if you are a policy owner of their farm policy