Are you growing any from the ‘emo’ collection i.e. Passion, Faith, Hope, Joy?
I couldn’t resist picking up Faith and Joy this summer from nursery.
Faith:
Joy:
Neither totally ripe yet. About the same ripening timetable as my Agria. Would be earlier in Seattle/Portland.
yeah on the strength of that osu test I linked I got hope, faith and gratitude from burnt ridge this year but they arrived as pretty weak grafted plugs, it’s going to be at least two years till fruit I think. on my wishlist but I couldn’t find to order are compassion, passion and joy. yours are fruting the first year? awesome, you must have gotten very nice plants locally. generally all of these arkansas varieties seem to be excellent here, among the best, which is a shame because it hints that we have potential for a locally-adapted breeding program but none exists
Well I kinda cheated… combing through the 4’ vines till I found ones that had set fruit!
Now I’ll have to see if they can take a winter like last year.
I went today, on their 2nd weekend. some of the early stuff like interlaken was already fully picked and some of the late stuff wasn’t ready yet. so my notes on each variety aren’t fair in a lot of cases. I went with my father in law and ended up buying our two favorites (of the varieties I didn’t already have), mine was diamond muscat and his was sweet seduction. my overall favorite was probably vanessa but I already have that
generally I prefer sweet and crisp grapes, there were a few that were crisp enough, my favorites list was vanessa, saturn, summer royal, diamond muscat, fiesta. My father in law likes sweet plus complex flavor without as much emphasis on texture, his favorites list was Bronx, Jupiter, thomcord, sweet seduction
anyway here are my quick notes as we walked the vineyard. sampling was encouraged. a great visit, I recommend it if you live nearby. they sell almost all of these as one-season rooted cuttings so you can find your favorites and then buy them (other than the patented joy/gratitude/etc. and royalty-needing monastery muscat, and a couple others). next year I’ll probably visit again but on a different weekend, I think the first weekend to try all the early stuff
einset - small red. foxy. poor set
marquis - very large green. very large clusters. soft. sightly foxy
glenora - medium size purple. productive. good taste
himrod - already picked
Interlaken - already picked
foch - very good kind of raspberry taste. huge seeds but edible. small soft purple grapes
vee pie - huge clusters. very productive. sour, not ripe yet. small-medium purple grape. very good cluster fill. slight seed trace
Venus - already picked
vanessa - red. very interesting good taste. crisp. productive. seemed ripe
Suffolk red - soft, large grapes, red. productive. large clusters. good taste but not ready yet
Saturn - very crispy, oblong. slightly sour, maybe not ready, but good taste. small clusters but many clusters. some shot berries
Bronx seedless - massive clusters. very soft berries. interesting taste but not ready, but very sweet. light red color
Challenger - red. slightly crispy. prominent seed traces but easy to eat. good red color. large clusters, many shot berries
Thornton - already picked
Spartan - small green grapes, huge clusters. soft. small grapes. very good cluster fill. I think not ripe yet. extremely productive
Concord seedless - small grapes. Concord taste. soft. skip skin. Red
albazor (is this actually named alborz? I didn’t ask) - enormous clusters, must have been two pounds. I think overripe and the yellow jackets had found it. medium size purple red grapes. thick ish skin, ok taste, decently crisp. very productive
Jupiter - had an entire row. very good taste. not super crispy. I think many had been picked but guessing it would have been rated productive if all was there. medium oblong purple grape
reliance - another whole row. huge clusters. very productive. small-medium red grapes. soft. good taste but probably not ready
47616 - already picked
Dr good - large green grapes.I think not quite ready. large clusters. uniform size grapes, good looking clusters. very productive
rombough - small green grape. large clusters. maybe not ready. slightly foxy. uniform size
thomcord - large purple. prominent seeds. maybe not ready. many shot berries
summer royal - split berries, in poor shape from splits and yellow jackets. extremely crispy and good. I think would be a great California grape replacement if it hadn’t been damaged
centennial - large oblong grapes. huge clusters. very productive. looks like susceptible to something and had lots of dew drip remnants. taste nothing special
monastary muscat - either picked already or no set
green emerald - interesting blotchy on green color. dew drip remnants. many splits. huge clusters. sour, I guess not ready yet
princess - large clusters. red oblong small medium grapes. crisp and tart, not ready yet
gratitude - crisp mild taste. not sure if fully ripe. oblong large green grapes. very productive. very large clusters. taste not interesting seemed extremely healthy compared to other vines
joy - soft red oblong. large clusters. extremely productive. not ready yet. very healthy vine
black emerald -crispy dark red. large clusters. lots of damage to grapes (splits and yellow jackets, maybe overripe?)
crimson - large red oblong berries. large clusters. not ready yet
hope - healthy vines. medium size green grapes. large clusters. soft. mild taste. maybe not quite ready
faith - large oblong red berries. very large clusters. good texture slightly crispy. good taste
diamond muscat - extremely productive. very large clusters. I like the muscat taste. medium round green grapes. medium firm with a nice snap
neptune - large oblong green grapes. large clusters. soft texture thick skin. medium foxy taste. not quite ready
sweet seduction - decent taste. makes raisins on the vine. productive. small green grapes. large clusters. can’t evaluate very well, some yellow jacket damage. interesting flavor. nice snap. prominent seed trace
einset - soft. medium round red grapes. poor set. good taste. low production unless I’m seeing what was already picked
canadice - small red grapes. slip skin and soft. slightly foxy. some very large clusters but not super productive unless I’m seeing what’s been already picked
fiesta - medium round green grape. variable size. large clusters. some damage. nice snap. medium to very crispy. good taste… looks good other than the variable berry size
reliance - large clusters. slip skin soft. medium red grapes. good looking clusters. ok taste
Mars - large red-purple. soft. looks maybe halfway picked. some shot berries. ok taste. large clusters. good looking clusters other than shot berries
dovine - decent snap. medium green oblong grapes. some damage. variable size
delight - small-medium green grape. nice snap. variable size. very large clusters. good taste. some drying to raisins, some damage
beauty - already drying down to raisins. good taste. maybe a little bland. small red-purple grapes. large clusters. soft
flame - I didn’t see this on the walking tour, but it was on their reference card. too bad, this is on my list to sample
Sweet Seduction, Einset, and Jupiter are my favorite that I’ve grown, probably in that order for eating, but opposite for easily getting good quality fruit.
I’ve also grown Reliance, Venus, Glenora, and Canadice. All chosen by description.
Murky, do you not get great tasting grapes every year, but when you do they are plentiful? Or you just don’t get that much every year no mater the weather.
I have a Jupiter at my mother’s house that produces well every year. The other grapes there, and the grapes at my current place, don’t get proper care.
The Reliance, right next to my house, produces well. I don’t protect it from the wildlife though, and don’t like them as much as any of those others. I now wish I’d put a grape I like better there. They are fine, just nothing to get excited about.
I attended an apple and pear tasting/picking today at the Mt Vernon Research Station in MtV, Washington. The 20 acre site has plantings of antique apples, pears, peaches, plums, mulberries, kiwi, filberts, medlar, and berries.
Of the antiques, I thought Wealthy was especially good with streaks of red and a good sweet tart balance:
The fellow next to me said Wealthy were planted by the acre in Wisconsin.
Two newer sweet Japanese varieties that were especially good: Hatsuaki and Daliest (aka Elstar). Thin skin, sweet, and crisp. Very Fuji-like. I’ll be looking for those scions for next year.
Finally, they had a plateful of Cornelian Cornus Mas …that were awful!
Mushy apple taste with thick skin - maybe just past their prime!!
I too am not a fan. This year I finally got to try some at various stages of ripeness, and at their peak, they were okay. I don’t like the texture. They go pretty quickly from sour and astringent to soft and mealy.
Local persimmon starting to ripen. Likely a Fuyu or something similar as it is non astringent. It’s located on public land. I picked a few last year, they were very tasty. If anyone else is growing Fuyu in our climate, how does the current color compare to yours?
My apples are still slightly shy of 15 Brix. I think most of them will achieve it before significant rain, but the cold late spring set the ripening back long enough to effect the Brix. I think the 13 days of 90+ we got did more harm than good. My Jonagold tested 14.2 Brix 3 days ago, but I am hoping to squeeze out as much sugar as I can this year.
My Galas are of a similar potency, but there is something that makes a Jonagold of the same Brix more enjoyable. They make awesome pies when they are still young enough to have some starchiness. No cornstarch required, there is enough in the fruit to be yummy when cooked.
I was walking past the Oregon Curlfree that I planted this spring and is this already some PLC on the newest growth? Wouldn’t be a good sign if it’s showing symptoms before its first rainy season…