Pawpaw 7a varieties?

I used AI to do quick reseach on pawpaw varieties for zone 7a. It came up with the following. I figured I would toss these out there for discussion to help me decide on a few varieties to try and grow.

P.S. my trust in AI is very low. Trust in personal experiences is high. So please do chime in.

"Here is a list of the best pawpaw (Asimina triloba) varieties for USDA Hardiness Zone 7a, known for their cold tolerance, productivity, fruit quality, and adaptability:

  1. Shenandoah
  • Excellent flavor, consistently rated highly in taste tests
  • Reliable producer
  • Good for Zone 7a and similar climates
  1. Prolific
  • Known for high yields and sweet, tropical-flavored fruit
  • Performs well even in partial shade
  • One of the most widely recommended varieties
  1. Overleese
  • Produces large fruit with few seeds
  • Rich, creamy texture and excellent taste
  • Vigorous grower and dependable cropper
  1. Sunflower
  • Medium to large fruit with very few seeds
  • Buttery, custard-like flesh
  • High productivity and good disease resistance
  1. KSU Atwood
  • Developed at Kentucky State University
  • Large, flavorful fruit
  • Cold-hardy and well-suited to Zone 7a
  1. Middletown
  • Another KSU release
  • Consistently heavy yields
  • Good fruit size and flavor
  1. Prima
  • Early-fruiting variety
  • Developed for improved pollination and growth
  • Performs well in the mid-Atlantic and Southeast"

Thanks :+1:

I was under the impression all pawpaws are hardy to 7a.

Do you know how many GDD you have at 50F? That is also a factor for ripening date

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Sorry please define GDD for me?

Growing degree days, the number of days where it’s a certain temperature https://www.greencastonline.com/growing-degree-days/home

There’s a strong correlation with GDD and ripening date

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YTD GDD = 4011. If it helps, wild pawpaws finished up ripening the end of august here.

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Makes sense, 4k means your pawpaws will be ripe in August or even earlier. Around me it takes til September and October :joy:

I’d recommend not worrying about hardiness or ripening time then. Pick whichever varieties you’d like based on flavor/size/etc.

That’s just my 2 cents but someone else on the forum may have other opinions.

For the record, I’m in 7a and am growing 5 pawpaws. The only time I plan to protect them is the first and maybe second winter

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Early riping is not a priority for me. My prefrences would be the potential for good flavor and size as you suggested.

Thanks

holy crap how can I only have 710 gdd? or 1200 set to 32F?

that’s explaining the okra failure at least. maybe the pawpaw too

Year to date you have around 2500 GDD, so it may be something with how you entered something in the calculator

it could be, i entered March '24- March '25 but maybe it got wires crossed. i was startled

i think it showed me the monthly up top and i was so shocked i didn’t see the ytd

AI generated summary from Pawpaw Varieties

pawpaw varieties, including their flavor profile and fruit size:

  • Allegheny: Early ripening, mild flavor, small fruit. Good for early harvests.
  • Cantaloupe: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large freestone fruit. High productivity.
  • Halvin: Mid ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. More resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Honey Dew: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large freestone fruit. High productivity.
  • Kentucky Champion: Early ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Vigorous growth.
  • KSU Atwood: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • KSU Benson: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large or medium-large fruit. Resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • KSU Chappell: Mid ripening, medium flavor, large fruit. Less resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Mango: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Mushy texture.
  • Maria’s Joy: Early-mid ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Highly productive.
  • Marshmallow: Early-mid ripening, sweetest flavor, large freestone fruit. Freestone variety.
  • NC-1: Early-mid ripening, strong flavor, medium fruit. Low productivity.
  • Overleese: Early-mid ripening, mild flavor, medium fruit. High acetogenin content.
  • Pennsylvania Golden: Early ripening, mild flavor, small fruit. Low pulp-to-skin ratio.
  • Potomac: Mid-late ripening, medium to strong flavor, large fruit. Less resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Prolific: Early ripening, bitter aftertaste, medium fruit. Inferior quality.
  • Rappahannock: Mid ripening, medium flavor, small fruit. Unique leaf orientation.
  • Rebecca’s Gold: Very late ripening, poor flavor, small fruit. Inferior quality.
  • Shenandoah: Early-mid ripening, mild flavor, medium fruit. Less resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Summer Delight: Very early ripening, sweet flavor, medium fruit. Takes 4-5 years to fruit.
  • Sunflower: Mid-late ripening, bitter aftertaste, large fruit. Low acetogenin content.
  • Susquehanna: Mid-late ripening, strong flavor, large fruit. High acetogenin content.
  • Tallahatchie: Mid-late ripening, mellow flavor, medium to large fruit. More resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Tropical Treat: Mid-late ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Moderately productive.
  • Wabash: Mid ripening, sweet flavor, large fruit. Susceptible to cracking.
  • Wells: Mid-late ripening, mild flavor, small fruit. Low to moderate production.

These varieties vary in ripening time, flavor, and fruit size. Choose based on your climate, cultivation goals, and flavor preferences.

AI generated from Pawpaw Varieties

Here is a combined list of best-flavored and largest pawpaw varieties, highlighting those that excel in both flavor and fruit size:

Top Flavored & Large Fruit Varieties:

  • Kentucky Champion: Large fruit, sweet flavor, vigorous growth.
  • Cantaloupe: Large, freestone fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity.
  • Honey Dew: Large, freestone fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity.
  • KSU Atwood: Large fruit, sweet flavor, resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • KSU Benson: Large or medium-large fruit, sweet flavor, resistant to phyllosticta spot.
  • Maria’s Joy: Large fruit, sweet flavor, highly productive.
  • Tropical Treat: Large fruit, sweet flavor, moderately productive.
  • Susquehanna: Large fruit, strong flavor, high acetogenin content.
  • Marshmallow: Large, freestone fruit, sweetest of freestone varieties.

These varieties are ideal for growers seeking a balance of large fruit size and excellent flavor. Choose based on your local climate and cultivation goals.

Have you tried any of the cultivars and have any flavor preferences based on that? Or anything you’ve noticed you liked in wild pawpaws? Some people seem to like the mellower flavors, some like the fuller flavors.

In terms of your specific list from AI, I’ve heard concerns about off flavors with Sunflower and even more about Prima, which people seem to like based on being more precocious and better pollination (some say self capable) and then don’t like as much for flavor when they get the other varieties ripening to compare. And I think more people would recommend KSU Chappel over Atwood.

Editing to add that I meant the list at the top since I was typing as your last post came in. Interesting that new list still doesn’t have Chappel.

A couple of things to add that are worth investigating on different cultivars is the productivity and vigor. Some varieties are just not big producers, so you may want to consider that if you want a lot of pawpaws. And some varieties, like KSU Benson, are known to be slower growers.

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I so much appricate your reply, it has helped me a lot. As I said in the beginning post my trust level of AI is low… its ok to compile lists by characteristics and all. But real value and trust comes from real world (human) observations and recommendations. I’ll compile a new list to incude productivity and vigor. I’m only inputting AI with Pawpaw Varieties

Thanks again

AI generated from Pawpaw Varieties

Here is an updated combined list of top pawpaw varieties, including flavor, fruit size, productivity, and vigor:

Top Pawpaw Varieties (Flavor, Size, Productivity, and Vigor):

  • Kentucky Champion: Large fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, vigorous growth.
  • Cantaloupe: Large, freestone fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, moderate vigor.
  • Honey Dew: Large, freestone fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, moderate vigor.
  • KSU Atwood: Large fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, moderate vigor, disease-resistant.
  • KSU Benson: Large or medium-large fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, moderate vigor, disease-resistant.
  • Maria’s Joy: Large fruit, sweet flavor, high productivity, moderate vigor.
  • Tropical Treat: Large fruit, sweet flavor, moderate productivity, moderate vigor.
  • Susquehanna: Large fruit, strong flavor, high productivity, vigorous growth, high acetogenin content.
  • Marshmallow: Large, freestone fruit, sweetest flavor, high productivity, vigorous growth.
  • Potomac: Large fruit, medium to strong flavor, moderate productivity, moderate vigor, less disease-resistant.
  • Wabash: Large fruit, sweet flavor, moderate productivity, vigorous growth, somewhat susceptible to cracking.
  • Tallahatchie: Medium to large fruit, mellow flavor, moderate productivity, moderate vigor, more disease-resistant.

These varieties are ideal for growers seeking a balance of large fruit size, flavor, productivity, and vigor. Choose based on your local climate and cultivation goals.

I’d recommend reading this thread if you havent already. In general you can’t go wrong with “classics” Shenandoah and Susquehanna, and Chapelle supposedly grows faster than the rest.

How many are you looking to plant?

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Not many, i think just 6 varieties. I’m going to dig up and pot 12 wild pawpaw root stocks after they go dormant. I suppose i’ll see what makes it through winter. Hoping for 6 but could be less or more.

Here’s the wild pawpaw rootstock thread I started to complement this thread.

I just asked AI for a summary of "Starter" Pawpaw variety recommendations? - #109 by treefrogtim there are a lot of similarities. Thank You very much for your reply.

The article from Growing Fruit provides starter pawpaw variety recommendations based on flavor, productivity, and ease of cultivation. Here’s a summary of the key points:

  • ‘Kentucky Champion’: A popular choice for its large, sweet fruit, vigorous growth, and good productivity.
  • ‘Cantaloupe’: Known for large, freestone fruit and high productivity.
  • ‘Honey Dew’: Another freestone variety with large fruit and high productivity.
  • ‘KSU Atwood’ and ‘KSU Benson’: Both are disease-resistant, highly productive, and produce large fruit.
  • ‘Susquehanna’: Offers strong flavor, large fruit, and high productivity, with vigorous growth.
  • ‘Marshmallow’: A freestone variety with sweet flavor, large fruit, and high productivity.
  • ‘Tropical Treat’: Produces large fruit with moderate productivity and a sweet flavor.
  • ‘Wabash’: Has large fruit, sweet flavor, and vigorous growth, though it may be susceptible to cracking.
  • ‘Tallahatchie’: Offers mellow flavor, medium to large fruit, and moderate productivity with better disease resistance.

These varieties are recommended for beginners due to their flavor, productivity, and ease of care. Choose based on your local climate, space, and cultivation goals.

I asked AI to compare both and make recommendations. These 7 varieties is what it came back with. I think i’ll try these 7 varieties and see what happens. I really do appricate all of your replies they have been extremely helpful to me. There’s no such thing as perfection in this world. The following 7 varieties seem to fit the bill for me and as good a place to start my pawpaw adventure as any.

Here’s a comparison of the two pawpaw variety lists and recommendations for growers:


List 1 (From cultivar.guide/pawpaw)

Focuses on a wide range of varieties, including flavor, size, productivity, disease resistance, and ripening time. Includes both popular and less common varieties.

List 2 (From growingfruit.org)

Focuses on starter varieties that are recommended for beginners, emphasizing flavor, productivity, and ease of cultivation.


Overlap and Top Recommendations (Based on Both Lists)

1. ‘Kentucky Champion’

  • Flavor: Sweet
  • Fruit Size: Large
  • Productivity: High
  • Vigor: Vigorous
  • Disease Resistance: Moderate
  • Recommendation: A top choice for beginners and experienced growers due to its large, sweet fruit and vigorous growth.

2. ‘KSU Atwood’

  • Flavor: Sweet
  • Fruit Size: Large
  • Productivity: High
  • Disease Resistance: High
  • Recommendation: Excellent for disease-prone areas and beginners looking for large, sweet fruit with good productivity.

3. ‘KSU Benson’

  • Flavor: Sweet
  • Fruit Size: Large or medium-large
  • Productivity: High
  • Disease Resistance: High
  • Recommendation: Similar to ‘KSU Atwood’, ideal for beginners and areas with disease pressure.

4. ‘Susquehanna’

  • Flavor: Strong
  • Fruit Size: Large
  • Productivity: High
  • Vigor: Vigorous
  • Acetogenin Content: High (beneficial for health)
  • Recommendation: Great for those seeking strong flavor and high productivity.

5. ‘Cantaloupe’

  • Flavor: Sweet
  • Fruit Size: Large, freestone
  • Productivity: High
  • Recommendation: A freestone variety with large, sweet fruit and high productivity, ideal for beginners.

6. ‘Honey Dew’

  • Flavor: Sweet
  • Fruit Size: Large, freestone
  • Productivity: High
  • Recommendation: Another freestone variety with large, sweet fruit and high productivity.

7. ‘Marshmallow’

  • Flavor: Sweetest of freestone varieties
  • Fruit Size: Large, freestone
  • Productivity: High
  • Vigor: Vigorous
  • Recommendation: A top freestone variety for sweet flavor and ease of use in culinary applications.

Final Recommendations Based on Use Case

Use Case Recommended Variety
Beginner Growers ‘Kentucky Champion’, ‘Cantaloupe’, ‘Honey Dew’, ‘KSU Atwood’, ‘KSU Benson’
Large Fruit Size ‘Kentucky Champion’, ‘Cantaloupe’, ‘Honey Dew’, ‘KSU Atwood’, ‘KSU Benson’
Sweet Flavor ‘Kentucky Champion’, ‘Cantaloupe’, ‘Honey Dew’, ‘KSU Atwood’, ‘KSU Benson’, ‘Marshmallow’
Disease Resistance ‘KSU Atwood’, ‘KSU Benson’, ‘Tallahatchie’
High Productivity ‘Kentucky Champion’, ‘Cantaloupe’, ‘Honey Dew’, ‘KSU Atwood’, ‘KSU Benson’, ‘Susquehanna’
Freestone Variety ‘Cantaloupe’, ‘Honey Dew’, ‘Marshmallow’

Choose based on your goals, local climate, and available space. For best results, plant multiple varieties for cross-pollination.

You HAVE to read the thread yourself. The AI literally just re-did the list it had made five prompts before

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