Is that mentioned in one of the reddit threads?
I thought the Reddit post above just says that it’s a chance seedling of Peterson seedlings, possibly mixed with white fleshed wild Canadian ones that I assume are nearby.
No…I have no idea what the parentage is. The NC1 sucker is a whole different story. Timothy Lane mentioned it on FB…he grafted a stick of the white fleshed “NC1” at his place.
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I cut back my Maria’s Joy to just the leader and 2 branches today. Two branches on it were finally pushing from old nodes. The bigger side branch from down low had a lot of vascular damage. The newer wood actually looked fine…it was the older wood with the blue staining. Frustrating.
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Dutchess County NY Z6A … where in Quebec is this Vincent fellow?..also, how was pollination on your trees this year?..was there an effect from last years late summer / fall drought?.. I finally got set up to be able to easily irrigate the patch…just can’t depend on chance here…I watch these rain areas on radar just skirt by to the north and south…it sometimes seems uncanny…received the Mammoth X tree from Blake today…came thru very well…hope to get it planted soon…Beemster
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I feel like everyone that has a seedlings of Peterson for other named varieties is going to have their own named variety soon lol.
We’ll have hundreds of varieties in 10 years so we’ll probably need the pros like @Blake and Cliff and Timothy Lane (or local growing fruit members closer to those people that have a fine pallet) to actually say what is really good or similar enough to existing varieties that it’s not worth releasing as grafts.
I wonder what the percentage is of good fruit from a seedling of two named variety parents.
PS i got my XL/supreme pawpaw from Blake. It’s kind of amazing he can grow such large plants in those small square seedling pots.
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Wow, now that it’s finally leafing out, the KLT leaves are enormous. Dinner plates. Leathery like a dragon.
Also, going to graft these in ground this weekend. Should I be grafting to green growth or older lignified growth? First time grafting pawpaws.
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Go back to the wood, also it wouldnt hurt to give your rootstock another year
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This time of year I do chip buds on green wood. Green wood in general is more conducive to accepting a graft since it is in an earlier stage. I like budding this time of year because the plant won’t lose vigor while it callouses.
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Have you tried using this years buds as chipbuds on pawpaw? Seems like it would work, but I havent taken the leap
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No, but as long as the bud is reasonably mature and not yet moving it should be good.
I’ve been doing a lot of green stock with dormant scion grafting recently, I am trying to get some persimmons to stick on my KSDS-infected stocks that keep sprouting up from the ground. They have nearly all been takes. Other grafts on green wood have been similarly reliable, it adds several % to the odds of success if the stock is green. Mark the calendar when you did it and force in two weeks, unless there was a cold spell in the middle.
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I have not had much success with grafting to pawpaw that are very small or newly planted. The established or larger ones are much more likely to work.
I think the tiny ones just give up on the ramet you’ve grafted to because they end up sending up roof suckers and growth from the base.
If you do want to try, it’s probably best to try @scottfsmith ‘s suggestion
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I agree that newly planted anything are harder to graft to and I generally avoid it. That said if you want to try the chip bud is the way to go, the plant can still keep growing just as vigorously and this increases the odds of a take on a recent transplant.
If you do try chip budding on the green wood you need to be careful not to cut too deep, the green wood is much easier to slice through than the lignified wood. I would start with what you think is only half as deep as you want to go. If you go too deep you may need to splint the stock to keep it upright.
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I saw Timothy Lane post about the new hybrids recently. Here is also that Quebec guy I think posted about them here:
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Not sure that’s Vincent?
Looks like the 5-5 secret is out of the bag now. It’s late ripening like Potomac…maybe not the best option for here. Neal should release 2-10 for northern zones.
I just assumed since his last name sounded maybe French/(well French-Canadian). My mistake!
So the QB grower is Vincent Renaud. I found a FB post of his grafting pawpaws with an Alexandre Milette. So yeah, maybe this redditor is connected?
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I found an old graft I made of 2-10 x SD that I got from Cliff years ago. Ripe at the same time as VE-21. I thought I lost this graft to be honest. I plan on regrafting it back home where I have better rootstock/soil. It kinda blows my mind that its still even alive growing this slow.
This is what the fruit looks like
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I grafted that this spring, but ironically it looks the worst out of the 30 I’ve done. It has that look of weak scion energy push that stalls out.
I grafted regular 2-10 as well and it took off like a rocket. What’s interesting is that it has been putting out 2 branches out of every bud except for the terminal one. I haven’t seen that in any other pawpaw.
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I have not tried chip budding before — is that the only / best method?
it’s clear that the lignified stock is “alive” but the vigor is coming from the new growth this year.
@benthegirl — these were all planted in ground May 2025. But most of them are showing new growth from the root from this year.