Peach scab?

Those are some great questions.

Please allow me to cut through everything, and tell you what we spray. Alan has a different spray program in NY, but the climate is different there. And we are spraying for commercially saleable fruit here, which is a higher standard than folks growing for themselves. Honestly, I don’t know what the standard is for Alan’s clients. Probably runs the gamut of pretty ugly to pristine fruit? I do think NY and the rest of the northern east coast have less pest pressure than we do here in the lower Midwest. I’m pretty sure about that.

Unfortunately, we here in central/eastern KS and MO get lots and lots of rain in the summer (unless it’s a drought) paired with lots of heat and humidity. Folks in GA have little weather to complain about, imo.

Here is our peach spray program, for a commercial orchard, with lots of pest pressure, because of the number of stone fruit trees:

We spray one dormant spray for leaf curl, sometime between Dec. and through Feb. We use chlorthalonil. We’ve found that is the most effective fungicide for leaf curl. We rarely see it with that one spray. Sometimes we’ve sprayed a sticker with it, sometimes not. Sticker seems to keep it on better, but it stays on pretty good by itself.

We don’t spray anything till just before shuck split. At about the day before shuck split (at this point we are scouting every day) we come in to combat plum curc. It’s a devastating beetle. The larva are legless. They are prolific and tough. Keep in mind, if we sell one peach with a P. curc. larva in it, we’ve lost that customer for life. They will also tell their friends about their experience with wormy yucky fruit. The whole thing is a little antipodean. In my experience, most customers want a no spray program for their fruit, but are utterly repulsed by internal feeding grubs, or even spotty fruit. I mention this so you understand customers drive the quality of the fruit.

Just before shuck split we come in with Actara or Belay (both neonics are murder on P. curc) along with a spray of chlorothalonil. Sometimes we will even mix a pyrethroid in the tank, along w/ Actara or Belay, to hammer stink bug (which starts to migrate at this time).

We will come in a week later (because this is the super pest time of the season) again with Belay or Actara. At this point we will mix Captan as a fungicide, to start to control peach scab. Remember that captan requires the water pH to be acidic, or it’s pretty much worthless. I add citric acid to the tank before captan is added.

This takes care of PC pretty good. If we need to come in later for PC (warm long spring causes PC to constantly migrate in the orchard) we will use additional sprays of Actara or Belay, up to the label limits. Again we will sometimes add a pyrethroid to kill stink bug more effectively. The pyrethroid can be something as simple as Mustang Maxx, or Warrior II. They sell homeowner products with the same ingredients.

Once we get about a month out of shuck split, the battle is largely over. Disease fungi are under control, PC is dead, brown rot inoculum is much closer to toast. We can kind of coast after that, with cover sprays every two weeks or longer, depending on the weather.

Note, I do all the sprays myself. I don’t trust anyone to run the airblast sprayer. As a side benefit, I can make sure all the trees are covered adequately with spray. Inadequate spray coverage won’t provide good protection on your trees.

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I should have answered this question.

In the early season, we pretty much use straight captan. It’s rated as good for both scab and brown rot. Mainly we are after scab control, which captan works well in for us. The critical time for scab control is starting at shuck split, through about the next 6 weeks.

We don’t use myclobutanil at all on peaches. As you point out, it’s only labeled for brown rot. Propiconazole is in the same class as myclobutanil, but is more effective on brown rot, and is cheaper.

Sometimes will use captan at the half rate and mix propiconazole at the full rate.

As I mentioned we spray pretty heavily (weekly) for the first four weeks from shuck split. Then we back off to bi weekly sprays. But…we pay attention to the weather. If it’s raining like mad, and you can smell the musty mold in the air, bi weekly sprays won’t cut it. We have to step it up and spray weekly. If things are bone dry, and cracks in the ground, then bi weekly sprays can be pushed back some, depending on how much stink bug we see.

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Mark, I have been using these systemics at delayed dormant (pink). Even though the leaves are just tiny tips at that point doesn’t it help with keeping things on the bark etc from getting into the leaves? I have been doing better with diseases on my peaches since I started that, but it could be something else.

First off let me say thank you to all of you - Mark, Alan, Scott,
It takes time to type out that much information, and I appreciate it very much! Your combined expertise is amazing and I am grateful for your help.
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Mark, thank you for laying out your spray protocol. That helps me understand what you spray and why. I don’t need to have 100% clean fruit as you do, but I also feel that if I’m going to spray at all (which of course I have to), I want to have at least 80% (or more) clean fruit.

I spray one dormant spray for leaf curl, late winter/early spring. This year it was March 12. I use Kocide 3000. I wasn’t even aware that chlorthalonil was effective against leaf curl. Interesting.

I had trouble with PC last year. I used permethrin and gamma-Cyhalothrin. but I missed a cover spray (or 2, I can’t recall) and had PC damage to almost every fruit. I don’t recall stink bug damage, but since there are a lot of those around, I must have had some of that too.
Last year was the first I had seen scab and some brown rot. There wasn’t a lot of brown rot, but quite a bit of scab.

In my pesticide arsenal, I currently have:
Malathion
Permethrin
gamma-Cyhalothrin
Spinosad

KState recommends using malathion, acetamiprid,
or lambda-cyhalothrin for PC and OFM

Bonide Fruit Tree and Plant Guard contains Pyraclostrobin 3.06%, boscalid 5.62%, lambda-Cyhalothrin 0.5%. I don’t have this product, but it is cheap enough and easy to get. I have read here that several members use it, but not sure the .5% lambda-Cyhalorhrin would cut it for PC pressure.

I priced Belay ($495/1.5gal) and Actara ($140/30oz) at Keystone Pest Solutions. Do you need an applicator’s license to purchase and apply those? I didn’t see anything on the Actara label about it. Belay is out of my price range currently, although I could maybe swing the Actara… especially if it would be appreciably better than what I have for pesticide choices already.

I also need to get a bigger and better sprayer. I have about 100 fruit trees in the orchard currently, and will probably add some more. Especially after re-reading your 2022 Peach Evaluations… I added several more peaches to my list that I would like to have. I don’t have a lot of fruit buds/blooms that survived the early Dec cold, so I’d like to choose a few more higher chill, ‘cold hardy’ peaches to round things out.
I currently have a 4 gallon backpack sprayer but I need to size up to some kind of pull behind sprayer with a pump. I have been looking, reading posts here, pricing, etc. Haven’t come to any decisions there either.

I need to do a better job on coverage.

This is important! Thank you for clarifying. We never know what the weather is going to do here, do we?

I will spray at shuck split this year and see how that goes. I can always try it at pink next year, as you do, if I don’t think I got a handle on it this year.
Thank you!!!

That’s a good point Scott. I’d always read that systemics be used when there was sufficient foliage on the trees. But perhaps that’s more because of resistance issues than efficacy. Systemics do have protectant activity.

The advantage of protectants early on is that many times, since they have several modes of action, they will control more diseases.

Take peach scab for example. Apparently DMI’s don’t offer a lot of control for it (I can’t think of any other reason why they wouldn’t be labeled for it.) With a protectant, you’d get some protectant activity for peach scab and brown rot. While peaches don’t get infected with scab until about shuck split, you’d get some inoculum knock down of both using an early protectant. Whereas with a group 3 systemic (DMI) you’d only get knock down of M. fructicola.

If you don’t have problems with scab, then I can’t see any problem with using a systemic early in the season, other than resistance issues, which probably aren’t issues for backyard orchardists.

The 2023 Midwest Fruit Pest Management Guide (fancy name for the commercial spray guide) states the following under Peach Pink - Diseases, “Fungicides with the FRAC code 3,7, or 11 are not recommended at this time, unless disease pressures are particularly high. They are better deployed later in the season.”

That sort of suggests to me, that they definitely work on their targeted disease, but don’t want commercial growers using them because of resistance issues.

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You don’t have to have an applicator’s license to purchase or apply them. Actara does state on the label, “For Ag Use Only”. I’ll leave that up to you if you would qualify for that. I’ve not heard of any pesticide inspections of home growers or backyard orchardists.

Belay doesn’t have that on the label, but as you point out, it’s pretty expensive for a backyard grower. As you also point out, it comes in 1.5 gal jugs, and has a low usage rate, so a jug would last you more than a lifetime.

I prefer one of these compounds because they are locally systemic and won’t wash off much. PC is such a hard beetle to kill. Both these are pretty lethal to PC. When PC start feeding on the foliage, they ingest the pesticide, which kills them. They don’t have the contact activity that a protectant would, since they are more absorbed into the leaves. So they aren’t as apt to kill PC walking around on the leaves, like a contact insecticide would, but they nevertheless work well.

They also don’t have much activity against OFM. Here in the last few years, I’ve been adding a contact insecticide with them (your permethrin would qualify) if you wanted to tank mix that.

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I should mention that in the northeast commercial growers tend to spray as often as Mark does and I have even able to obtain pristine fruit with half the sprays as commercial growers on numerous sites.

How much this has to do with the volume of production is hard to say but logic suggests a great deal. The only thing is that I have succeeded with giant Macintosh trees under significant shade at one site… I would think pressure there would wind up equaling that of a large planting in full sun, smallish trees, widely spaced.

In the last two years I have gotten almost pristine apples with only two well timed summer fungicide sprays, along with the 2 or 3 I always do in spring when I’m gunning for insects anyway. That being Sept. ripening fruit. Couldn’t do that with Goldrush, that’s for sure. There’s also going to occasionally be codling moth damage, but usually the worm is gone by harvest.

Peaches are often quite pristine with only a single fungicide spray in summer… also including ones done in spring. I don’t doubt that’s not possible in KS, however, even in a small stand. But maybe there are sites where fruit eating insects aren’t even established in some KS locales. I wouldn’t know.

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Thanks Mark, that makes a lot of sense. I also have a different group I alternate with, Elevate is something like 21?? I didn’t use that this spring but it could be a good early one. I don’t have much problem with peach scab, a few varieties get a bit. I’m also not trying to sell the fruits :slight_smile:

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Good information. I have to decide rather quickly how I want combat PC this year. I was surprised how much PC damage I had last year, but then again, I didn’t get all the recommended sprays on that I should have.
If I apply contact pesticides when I should, maybe I can get mostly decent fruit… but I won’t know for sure until I get the timing right and don’t miss any of the early sprays for sure. It would be nice to do a comparison of contact vs systemic in my backyard setting, and look at fruit quality at harvest.
I need to read up on these systemic pesticides. I had thought some years ago that they didn’t really sound ‘safe’ to me, but you and many others use them, and they are approved for use… but I don’t completely understand how they work. How can the tree absorb the chemical into its leaves, but not have any chemical residue in the fruit itself?

I wish this was the case! I guess there are plenty of PC around in my area of KS regardless of whether you are in a populated or wooded area or not. We live (literally) in the middle of native tallgrass prairie, the nearest neighbor being… I don’t know, 4 or 5 miles away. I don’t think there are any fruit trees on any of those ranches. We do have plenty of wild plum (Prunus americana), a few ‘wild’ pear, chokecherry, gooseberry, and elderberry growing within a mile or 2 from our place. I don’t know how far PC fly, but apparently they can travel a good distance, and maybe use other host plants I’m not aware of.
This article [A Review of the Biology, Ecology, and Management of Plum Curculio (Coleoptera: Curculionidae)] I read from The Journal of Integrated Pest Management lists these plants as common hosts:

Table 1.

Wild and domestic hosts of C. nenuphar

Common name Scientific name Family Wild/Dom.a First Genb Second Genb

Peach Prunus persica L. Rosaceae Dom. X X
Apple Malus domestica Borkh Rosaceae Dom. X
Cherry Prunus avium L./Prunus cerasus L. Rosaceae Dom. X
Plum Prunus domestica L. Rosaceae Dom. X X
Apricot Prunus armeniaca L. Rosaceae Dom. X
Pear Pyrus spp. Rosaceae Dom. X
Quince Cydonia oblonga Mill. Rosaceae Dom. X
Highbush blueberry Vaccinium spp. Ericaceae Dom. X
Wild crabapple Malus spp. Rosaceae Wild X
American plum Prunus americana Marsh. Rosaceae Wild X X
Chickasaw plum Prunus angustifolia Marsh. Rosaceae Wild X X
Beach plum Prunus maritima Marsh. Rosaceae Wild X X
Strawberry Fragaria ananassa Duchesne Rosaceae Wild X ?
Shadbush Amelanchier spp. Rosaceae Wild X
Hawthorn Crataegus spp. Rosaceae Wild X ?
Wild cherries Prunus spp. Rosaceae Wild X
Persimmon Diospyros spp. Ebenaceae Wild X ?
Gooseberry Ribes spp. Grossulariaceae Wild X ?
Currant Ribes spp. Grossulariaceae Wild X
Wild blueberry Vaccinium spp. Ericaceae Wild X ?
Deerberry Vaccinium stamineum L. Ericaceae Wild X ?
Huckleberry Vaccinium/Gaylussacia spp. Ericaceae Wild X ?
Grape Vitis spp. Ericaceae Wild X X
aDom. = Domesticated host.

bHost utilization by first- and/or second-generation C. nenuphar is directly observed in domestic hosts. Host list based on [Maier (1990)](javascript:;), Jenkins et al. (2006), and [Quaintance and Jenne (1912)](javascript:;). X = Utilizes this host. (In wild hosts, the possibility of this insect utilizing a host in its second generation is inferre through phenology.) Blank = This host’s fruit either does not coincide with second-generation C. nenuphar or is unsuitable as an oviposition host for second-generation insects. ? = Unknown if this host could support second-generation C. nenuphar.

I blame the wild plums.

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The only reason I found out what I could accomplish with two fungicide summer sprays for clean apples was my quest to control Marsonnina leaf blotch because one didn’t do the trick. The site with the partially shaded Macintosh was one of the few I treated this way and was surprised by how clean the apples turned out. Last season it was pretty dry, but the season before had plenty of rain throughout summer.

I’ve used a tank mix of Cap and Myclo or Topsin M and myclo. Both have worked so far. I don’t need pristine apples for the majority of my customers, but I do need apple leaves to remain on the trees at least through Sept.

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I do too!!