Persimmon grafting question(s)


#61

Question about seedless and grafting in other varieties. Just recently planted my first persimmon tree Fuyu seedless. Seedless is a characteristic I would like to keep. Will grafting other scions onto it cause the Fuyu to be seeded?


#62

Only if they are male (or partially male), which usually means no.


#63

Kelby. I see you’ve got a young MBVS in ground there. Are those rocks surrounding it for heat purposes or for eye appeal only?


#64

Thanks


#65

Both


#66

What is the purpose of the foil? Are persimmon grafts sensitive to sun or is it high temperatures? I thought you were supposed to graft them when it was warm? I ask cause I have some persimmons to graft this spring, too.


#67

Supposedly it’s to prevent dessication from direct sunlight.


#68

It is warm. 90 degrees as I’m looking right now at the car thermometer. Remember I’m in San Diego. Foil is to deflect some of the uv light, retain heat , retain moisture and I think the graft heals better in the dark.


#69

Large fat green buds are now emerging from the Giant Fuyu bark grafts that were made 24 days ago. I’ll remove the lunch bag placed over the top when I see a sizable leaf.


#70

Took the bag off recently. Looks like 3 for 3. This is giant fuyu on d. Lotus.


#71

Here is a 4 in 1 in the works on d. Lotus. Scions are fuyu-jiro, giant fuyu, tam kam and izu.


#72

The last one follows Tam Kam should be Izu persimmon.

Tony


#73

Yes it should. Originally it was Uzi. So ya I am grafting Israeli machine guns to my persimmons. Aren’t you? Autocorrect also changed giant fuyu to giant duty which is also amusing.


#74

just make sure you brace them later to prevent wind breakage. I have a 8 years old Nikita’s Gift that I multi-grafted Rossyanka, Tam Kam, Cinebuli, JT-02 to it 2 years ago.

Tony


#75

I have the brace in place on the unbagged one. So I’m all set!


#76

Wow this graft of giant fuyu is putting on huge leaves. Nice growth in the union too.

The 4 in one is doing okay. Interestingly the giant fuyu on this guy is doing the worst.


#77

Many persimmon grafting threads here. Everybody seems to do late spring grafting of persimmon. But no body seems to do summer grafting. Is it a bad idea to graft persimmon in this weather?

I have a seedling persimmon that I planted in April this year. It’s the fastest grower in the yard and is doing very wel. It’s an American persimmon. Male or female I don’t know. I’m thinking about grafting to it now or this fall because I can get a piece of wood from my neighbor who has an unknown Asian variety. I’m thinking if I graft this season, it’ll get over whatever the shock it has to go through and get growing next season. Any thoughts on this? Will I not gain much by doing it now vs waiting till spring?


#78

I just checked your location. You are in PA. In summer and the fall, chip bud grafting works very well . But there is a problem how the grafted buds can survive the harsh winter in PA. Most Asian persimmons just can be hardy to zone 6. So I suggest you wait till spring.


#79

I would reccomend waiting because the plant loses a lot of energy when you cut the whole top off to graft. I grafted some persimmon rootstocks the first year I planted them and many died. The few that lived didn’t grow much, and a few of those didn’t make it through the winter. The established rootstocks that I grafted in early May after frost danger was past did amazing and they have grown like CRAZY. Many of them are taller then I am, with multiple trunks. I chip budded a few this summer, as an experiment, but I doubt they are going to do as well, or grow as fast as they would have if I had just waited until next year and dormant grafted.

I used a cleft graft on all of them, and had a very good take rate. (Not counting what I grafted too early that went through a hard frost… many of those died)


#80

Thank you both. Definitely don’t want another dead or stunt tree. I will wait then.