@tonyOmahaz5 Thanks! Probably H-118. I will have h-118 and Garetson from other sources to compare soon. Trying to make sure things bear true to type before I share scion or propagate off them.
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Some of my Prok are starting to show a little tinge of color.
A couple had animal damage that had pushed ripening so I picked them to finish ripening inside. Hopefully theyāll ripen before starting to go bad from the damage.
The animals have pretty much taken everything this year starting in mid-June or so when the drought started to build. I got most of my carmine jewel cherries and most of my apricots, but since then nothing. The last of my muscadines disappeared last night. Theyāre even taking unripe astringent persimmons, although they mostly abandon them on the ground after trying a few bites. I never had much trouble with them taking unripe persimmons before, but I guess it shows how desperate they are.
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A picture of a Garretson from my tree:
John S
PDX OR
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Nice! I know there is a whole thread on the subject but tell me specifically what you like about it compared to Early Golden?
I just found 2 wild American persimmon trees on my dog walking route (walked past them for 8 years and never noticed) and they are loaded, looking forward to seeing how they taste this fall.
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@resonanteye Iām in SE Tx and yet to lose a tree from lack of water. I plant them while dormant in the winter(well what winter we have here) so they are good to go in the spring. I got most of mine from MDC and grafted a few found growing wild here. My limited understanding of jujubes is they are hard to killā¦ASU planted theirs in 2 desert like locations and didnāt water them at all. Perhaps itās a planting time issue?
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They seem to thrive in a wide variety of environments. There have been reports of some varieties dropping fruit in 100+F heat. Have you seen this? Are the wild ones you find the 90 chromosome? There are Texas Persimmons, but I think they have More of a Southwest Texas range. Not sure if they are graft compatible with Diospyros virginiana
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Texana is from the W/SW side of the state but does well here. Growing out seedlings I got seeds from the Houston edible arbor trail. Trees there have been through a lot. Saw that someone earlier grafted them onto DV which is interesting. I would have to imagine that the local DV are 60 chromosome based on location, but not sure how to confirm that. Quiet sure the MDC are 90c and do just fine here in z9a. I have seen some fruit drop on different trees, but that could be due to a large variety of factors since they are not all in the exact same growing conditions.
MDC are probably 90c but, they buy large quantities of seed so itās not imposable some of their stock is 60c. 60 or 90 might not really matter in your location but the 60 would be more vigorous.
They are! Marta said she uses virginiana as rootstock for texana, and I had 100% success grafting texana on MDC seedlings this year (7 of 7). They had pretty good growth, too, at least for a species that usually is shrubby and not all that vigorous. Here are a couple of them:
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Interesting that they are compatible. I would have thought the Texas Persimmon would be more likely to be grafted over to a named American. Are there improved texana varieties?
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Iām not aware of any named varieties or particularly improved selections, but these are at least female. My main interest is to try to hit them with pollen from digyna (aka nigra, black sapote), which Iām hoping to grow in a container in my greenhouse. They are both diploid and at least allegedly in the same clade of Diospyros, but Iāve never heard of any attempts at a controlled cross.
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Iāve tried two or three years running. once planted in fall. once held through an early shipping date in containers, they grew, leaves and all, then when put in they died in about an month.
this year I planted out in March as soon as I could work the soil, all 4 never leafed out, dry to the center by June/July. every one, bare root, enough water- first year less water, this year the same as I would treat any other bare root.
all of this with watering thatās kept several baby apple trees, a mulberry and a bare root pear just fine.
theyāre in full sun, good soil, I just donāt know why.
persimmons Iāve tried in different places in the yard- Iāve bought 6, all bare root, 3 never woke after a fall planting. 1 died before it could leaf out. 2 leafed out then died back (I think they didnāt get enough water though, probably my fault) Iāve tried full sun, part sun, and north side part shade with em.
Iām about to give up on both fruits entirely
Have you tried planting rootstocks to see if you can get a few to grow and then graft when larger?
Have you tried getting potted plants instead of bareroot? I know that virginiana rootstocks are not used here, but bareroot kaki and lotus are rumoured to be practically rigged to fail in my climate.
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Remember where you got the bare roots from? Wondering if they were on lotus root stock instead of DV. That could explain a lotā¦what type of soil do you have?
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About 1/4 of my H-118 grafts to young rootstocks had flower buds that seemed to be sticking. I ended up pulling them off. Must be precocious!
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Flavor and texture.
Thanks! Looking forward to tasting one someday. I grafted it this year. Seems to have very large leaves. Do you know if it is harder than Early Golden? I always see some winter dieback with EG.
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My neice sent me this picture of persimmons she was eating on August 26th in Lawrence.
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