Persimmons 2026

Okay now. Back to my, counting the true age, obsession, Trev. Your sprout that is grafted to, is equivalent to my seed at a year of age ? as i see it. Us farm reared boys , regard your root stock as a “sucker”. But it could be the result of a animal planted seed, so who knows.

And if you bush hogged it off one time, then the root stock is two years old when you graft.?

Oh, well, I’m overthinking this I guess.

But I have in my new hobby orchard, four or five persimmon saplings that have blooms, which two years back from now, were a newly planted seed. So they are going on their third year.

Did I gain a year? Or is this normal?

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Persimmon roots typically 2 to 6 inches diameter grow under a large area of my property which is about 70 miles south from Trev (tnhunter). The roots are up to 100 feet from the tree that they grew from. The roots send up several sprouts each year. When the sprout starts growing, it may have 50 or more feet of root to push growth. The result is a sprout that can easily be grafted. There is no comparison with a seed grown tree. The root sprout has a huge root which gives it exceptionally fast growth. There is one huge downside. It is almost impossible to transplant these sprouts. Ask me how I know this. :slight_smile:

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@Jobe .. we cleared 3 acres of land in 1997…. It was in the fall.. and I had it disked some.. then I drug a length of chain link fence over it for hours (with my 4 wheeler) to smoth it out some.. then I sewed a mix of winter wheat, fescue, lidino clover over it.

It got a little rain that fall and grew some.. but the next spring it really took off… bueatiful green grass and clover all over.

Well and some saplings that sprouted back up from roots.

I started that year. Having it bushhogged once a year in the fall.

We built our home in the middle of that 3 acre clearing in 2001.

I did all the tractor work to turn part of that clearing into our front and back and side yards.. a lot of discing .. a lot of rock raking.. smoothing out the bumps.. and got a good stand of grass growing.

Past the yard remained the same.. basically just fields… that got bushhoged once yearly.

There were always quite a few saplings and some good blackberry patches that came up in the fields. A few times I spared a nice blackberry patch (just bushhogged around it) for a few years and they were great blackberry patches.

I never paid a lot of attention to all those saplings that came up every year.. until about 2022… (over 20 years later).. I was getting interested in persimmons at the time and noticed one of those saplings that came up near my garden/compost pile was a wild persimmon.. and it was growing like a weed.

I looked around more in my fields and found 50-75 more of those.. all over the fields.

There were a few other varieties of tree saplings out there .. sour wood, callery, etc…

I think that most of those were perhaps there when I had the land cleared by bulldozer… and they came back from the roots that were left.

Bushhogging them down once a year did not kill them… they just came back up the next year.

For a few years I had my fields bushhogged twice a year.. early July and October.

That did not kill the persimmon shoots either.. I observed them being cut off in July at about 5 or 6 inch… and then growing another 3 or 4 feet tall by October.

I think many of those persimmon shoots in my fields have very well established root systems because they have been there many many years.. growing some every year (very fast top growth).. but being cut down once or twice a year.

A persimmon will not die.. from being bushhogged once or twice a year… It still has that root system on place and simply pushes up a new top and continues putting out as much top growth as it can.

i think it is very well possible that some of these wild dv shoots that I am grafting too.. have root systems under them that are 20 years old or older.

The ultimate persimmon rootstock.. pushing phenominal growth once grafted.

JT02 grew a shoot from a scion 10 ft tall first season.

Prok grew 8 ft tall first season and had leaves 12 inches long.

H63A grew 8 ft first season and produced fruit in year 2.

Since I have no idea when these rootstocks were established.. I can’t really include their age when stating how old my trees are.

Year one for me.. is the year it was grafted.

TNHunter

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@Jobe … check this out…

I just took our compost scraps out to the pile.. and noticed this over in my field.

It was just mowed 2 weeks ago.

They just pop up and grow like crazy.

TNHunter

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Okay TNHunter.

I’m seeing the light. The age of the tree, count starts at time of grafting.

The rootstock is too variable. It could be one, two or more years “old”. The rootstock could be a seed, a “sucker”, an older stump, 60 chromosome, 90 chromosome, located in Canada or Florida or in between.

All these factors can alter the age of the tree, at the ripening of the first fruit.

It is probably universal knowledge, and I trust that it is, but it sure confused me.

thanks for your patience.

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after many attempts i have two survivors!

unfortunately they are unknown varieties, sold as “American persimmon”, one was labeled “male persimmon” :rofl:

i guess I’ll see if they survive the summer.

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I saved 5 seeds from my Saijo last year out of let’s say 150-200 fruit (I also had 1 seed last year [that I accidentally lost be4 I could grow it out] and I thought a couple seeds in 800 fruit the year or 2 before).
They are viable and coming out. Wonder what it crossed with. I did graft lots of hybrids last year (and the year before) but not sure if I saw any flowers on the grafts. Only hybrid with flowers was maybe 2-3yo graft of Sestronka (which doesn’t have male flowers I think).
Not sure if I have room to grow them out anywhere so I may give away at some point.
Also have some hybrid seeds from Cliff and Mars Organic Farm growing out.

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Saiju appears to be a misspelling of Saijo. Could you use the correct spelling please?

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Looks like I’ll have a few Coffee Cake fruit this year.

How do you know it’s okay to eat when crunchy? I have a Chocolate right next to it.

I’m worried that like only half would be seeded and the other half of the fruit (non seeded) would be astringent. Just thinking way ahead!

Probably a PVNA in the neighborhood, like Nishimura Wase. Unless you are aware of a male-flowering PCNA (e.g., Taishu) or hybrid (Rossey male) nearby.

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Just weird, I wouldn’t suspect people too many people growing persimmons.
And if they did I would expect that to be a standard variety you’d see at Home Depot like Fuyu.

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I’m guessing that some of the most popular PVNAs such as Nishimura Wase (aka Coffee Cake) may be sold by box stores.

This is my H118 , planted last fall. The recent frost cooked the green new growth. Do you think it will bounce back?

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I would think it will.

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A bit sad, my IKKJ Persimmon is fruiting again for second year, but it’s pretty small. My Saijo which is comparatively large(and in ground longer) has no flowers again.

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Roseyanka

Prok

Hachiya + Wase Fuyu

Should I be concerned that my Hachiya and Wase Fuyu persimmons haven’t started to wake up? They were planted as bareroot this past winter.

My Prok and Roseyanka had some damage while dormant before I protected them which is why they are growing weird. They were planted this past winter.

I also have a Morris Burton and a Yates which are probably doing the best out of anything. They were purchased as potted trees and planted during the summer last year. I have some DV (planted in 2024) growing as well to use as rootstock in the future.

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My Suruga (4 flowers this year) and Giant Fuyu (0 flowers), but last year there were too many to count. My coffee cake did fine this year and last but it is in a more shaded area.

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Newly planted bare root trees sometimes have delayed wake up times. If they still scratch green, you should be ok.

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This!
I’ve known of newly planted persimmons that did not leaf out until the second year… were still ‘green’ if you scratched the bark to check condition of cambium, but just would not ‘wake up’ the first year after planting. Have not experienced it first-hand, but it’s been reported with some regularity on various fruit-growing discussion lists over the past 30 years.

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That happened to me with a bare root persimmon I’d gotten from John Brittain at Nolin River several years ago now – fortunately I didn’t toss it and it woke up the following year.

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