Maybe we should start a new thread for this topic 
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I planted a IKKJ grafted to an American rootstock last spring. It got attacked by rabbits, a lawn mower, and is now covered in snow and ice.
If it does leaf out in the spring, excellent! It’s a survivor.
If it doesn’t but the rootstock is alive, would you recommend regrafting or digging it up and planting a new one?
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Personally, I’d take advantage of that already-established rootstock, and if IKKJ hasn’t survived, either re-graft right away, or give a rootstock shoot a year to grow and establish some root reserves and regraft it next spring.
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I ordered 10 4-5 ft seedling from burnt ridge nursery for grafting and growing out. Plus maybe 25-50 seedlings in a large pot (I don’t know if they are still alive though). And traded with @TNHunter for scions of IKKJ and Nikita’s Gift. I plan on growing more variety next year.
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My Nikita’s gift and 2 Kassandra persimmon trees froze everything off above the ground, which I wasn’t expecting much and had heaped up dirt around them and only left a inch of them above the ground everything below looks fine.
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This will be my first year trying persimmons in Idaho. I’ve got H63A/Caramel Cocktail, Babara’s Blush, and H-118/Early Jewel scions ordered and rootstock from both Twisted Tree and Fruitwood. Looking forward to the experiment.
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Curious to see if my Nikita’s Gift persimmon is at all alive after this winter. After three years of growing it in a giant pot I got tired and shoved it into the ground where a roof drops feet of snow. Also buried it in leaves before it got to cold. We have been down to 22 below this winter with several nights below -15. If it died no biggie.
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If it’s buried in snow you should be fine.
I recently got some nice scion of Giboshi (aka Smiths Best). I will be grafting it to a nice stout wild DV out in my orchard.
Prok, H63A, Barbaras Blush
JT02, Kasandra, Nikitas Gift, Dar Sofiyivky, Journey
IKKJiro, Cardinal, Saijo, Giboshi
I had a successful graft of H118 to a wild DV.. and attempted to transplant it to my new orchard last winter.. it struggled all season last year.. was barely able to put out a few leaves.. late fall.. it was dead. The wild dv it was grafted to was a root shoot… and it simply did not have enough roots to survive the transplant.
I have tasted H118 at Englands… and my own H63A… and it seems they taste very similar to me. Also taste very similar to 100-46. 100-46 is impressive in size… but ripens later (mid to late October at Englands).
TNHunter
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Had a question … is Szuki’s a Male that has female flowers (M/f) or vice-versa (F/m)?
I found this chart which implies Szuki’s if a M/f (’f’ in lower-case implying its mostly a male but with some female flowers), but BlueHill webpage says its a female but with about as many male flowers on it (pretend a 50/50 mix… hmm maybe i should call it then a M/F, both letters capitalized implying one isn’t dominant). Curious if there any popular M/f’s known (maybe F-100, Thor, F-90?)?…
Also, if someone wants scionwood of Szuki’s do you have to be careful and get a branch that showed both M+F flowers. or doesn’t matter, can just take any branch from it to graft? Saw a reference here in that the flowering might be due to a chimera cells mixing vs pure genetics and was curious what people think.
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Most reliable sources mention Szukis as a chimera. One part is purely female, the second component is a fruiting male. It is possible to separate them by grafting, a good example would be ‘Szukis sport’ mentioned in Claypool’s notes.
By the way, this chart is wrong. William is also the father of G1, G2, Mike and George. Basing on some notes Yates/Juhl can be EG related as Talbott’s nursery had seedlings of grafted trees in their offer.
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I called Cliff to ask. He also said it was a chimera, and i think he said whatever branch/scion you give someone, it can turn up a male or female, but it still displays the properties of putting out other gender flowers. His is a male that puts out female flowers.
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Greetings 
I didn’t participate in the 2025 Persimmons thread, but I decided that this year one of my focuses will be persimmons. Right now I have:
JT-02, H112, Barbara’s Blush, Prok, Rossyanka, Yates (might be dead), and Nakita’s Gift (might be dead).
I could have a few others out there that I’m forgetting about. 
I also just bought Great Wall and Smith’s Best from Just Fruits and Exotics when I was in Tallahassee last week.
My plan for this year is to order some trees from my local soil and water conservation to graft onto. I think I’ll get about 20. Persimmon scion is typically pretty prolific at my local fruit growing club swap, so I’m planning on picking up scionwood from the swap this spring as well.
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I did hear about Yates/Juhl as well from Richards ancestry document.
I updated the chart a bit for my persimmon presentation (i found your old post about William, i trust ya and assume its correct, Richard’s doc confirmed half of those children minus G1M and Mike).
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These little persimmons on the left side (next to some 90C fruit last year)
…. Most likely still 90C persimmon? These were a tree most likely planted in Philadelphia (by the parks division on a trail). I think I read some Hershey variety Kitch is a 60C and i assume grown near here in Lancaster so I guess 60C’s aren’t cold-hardy and their range is in the South, but still can survive here? Can i look at the dormant branches and be able to tell if its 60C?
Edit: here is pics of branches and leaves. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/99841252
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Q: if i have a vigorous David’s Kandy 50/50 hybrid growing, can I graft a Tam Kam onto it? Or would that not be compatible? cc @tonyOmahaz5 or @Richard maybe.
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I don’t see why not. I would do a regular graft and a few quick and easy chip budding for back up. If too many take then just keep the strong growing one.
Tony
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Graft compatibility should be ok.
However, David’s Kandy is not 50:50. KuroF(D.kaki) x F2 Rosseymale makes it, theoretically, 5/8 D.k. - 3/8 D.v.
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Just thought I’d post this, think i only saw 2 references to peeling/shedding bark in asian persimmons (the other reference also mentioned Saiju in particular which is this tree).
Alot of people thought the tree was a goner, but it seems fine past couple years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1G4JJvnkk (2 years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw49FjukyZM (1year ago, still fine)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FO-JZ9PuxSg (few days ago, still fine)
Someone suggested the Japanese refresh peeling barks: Hybrid Persimmons Future Look Great - #1578 by Shuimitao
I am tempted to cut the bark with a knife there and see when I can see green cambium layer. On a larger tree like that, is the green layer noticeable like how it is on scionwood? Wondering how deep i have to cut to see the green cambium layer.
I lost my Nikita’s Gift at -20F back in 2023, it was a very small graft. I hope yours makes it.
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