I have had a few chats w cliff, he just seems a great wealth of knowledge–OGW just took a handful of persimmons and renamed them w trademarks, at least thats what it appears.
I have ordered from OGW and they sell nice stuff, i have more faith in cliff. I also suspect for the $$ he has bigger trees than you will get at OGW. That said neither is in my area; you have a valid factor to weigh i do not.
I understand Mark, that makes sense. I was speaking from a position of living within driving distance of OGW and the wholesale nursery that supplies much of their stuff.
We have our own climate and American persimmons aren’t native here. Having actually tasted a good fruit grown within 30 miles or so of my house is a strong endorsement to me. I’m sure there are others that would do even better, and if I had room for 5 or 6 trees I’d probably like to go for it.
I found a document rating the Claypool persimmons, and there were some that looked like they scored much higher than the ones at OGW, and even early ripening.
But reports from their native range, with lots of pollinators, may not translate to my conditions and where I don’t plan on having a male.