I’ll call both during the week. I’m not sure I’ve seen any on colt when I’ve searched and I don’t know if they will customize. Maybe they can source them since it’s just summer if I pre-order.
I looked around for colt rootstock for a bit yesterday and was unable to find it retail. There must be someone who will sell it. That might be another phone call to see if a retail store can get it from somewhere else if they don’t normally offer it.
Bay Laurel nursery , in its section " cherry rootstocks " has Colt .
Ask to see if you’re lucky.
Regards
Jose
Thanks
I’ve got Bay Laurel nursery bookmarked…although it’s not clear on the website if they sell rootstock alone as opposed to those varieties in that range of rootstock.
Plenty of time to check.
Thanks @Jose-Albacete, I’m staying away from Wills, I might not get a cherry if I order from them, it could be a pawpaw.
I think my best solution for me is to call the local nursery and order one or during bareroot season to go to the one near me. I found no scion from googling last night either. I can find Early Burlat.
When it gets around to time, we can share our sources for rootstock and scions from the retail side…
Today I bought this variety of cherry from Sprouts, I think it’s a new variety and more flavorful than Rainier.
https://orondoruby.com/
So I ran all the way down the rabbit hole and back looking for wet soil tolerant rootstock I can use for sweet cherries.
End result, from what I found at least: the only place retail that I can find Colt rootstock is UC Davis, but it’s not rooted, it’s scionwood. I’ve read Colt is difficult to root. It’s a $150 minimum order at $2 /scion.
I did read some are using Lowell peach rootstock and grafting adara then sweet cherry. I did find (not in stock now) Lowell rootstock at One Green World.
So next is Adara/Puente. You know the only hits on a search are acuy posts in this forum!
So there are folks here that can help with adara scions and I will hopefully try it out.
I found a publication about Adara as a straight rootstock for sweet cherry and it does well and had wet soil tolerance, so if things work out I will try rooting some adara and see if that works for me at least. Says below it’s easy to root.
As a plum itself I don’t know what chill or pollination Adara is/needs as I can’t find it online.
See publication quote below.
"Scions of cherry grafted on Adara grow
well; most cherry cultivars have shown good
graft-compatibility, although some cultivars
are incompatible (Table 1). Further tests are
needed to explore the full range of compatible
cultivars as has been demonstrated with other
cherry rootstocks (Perry, 1987). Trees are more
vigorous than on Colt (P. avium x P.
pseudocerasus) or St. Lucie 64 (P. mahaleb
L.), and yield efficiency of cultivars on Adara
is higher than that on either of these other
rootstocks (Table 2). Furthermore, Adara ap-
pears to be more efficient in the uptake of some
mineral elements; higher concentrations of N,
K, and Mn have been found in leaves of ‘Van’
cherry scion compared to ‘Van’ on St. Lucie
64 or Colt (M.A.M., unpublished).
Adara is easily propagated by hardwood
cuttings. About 90% of hardwood cuttings
treated with indole-3-butyric acid (indolebu-
tyric acid) at 500 mg•liter–1 rooted (Moreno,
1989)…
… Adara also is graft-compatible with Japanese
plum, although the range of cultivars tested is
not extensive (Table 5). This rootstock also
has been tested with apricot (P. armeniaca L.)
and almond [P. dulcis (Mill.) D.A. Webb]; the
compatibility depends on the cultivar…
…
Good day to you Jose.
Just a post to update my personal thinking on my own backyard fruit growing.
I’ll reiterate I live in Zone 9a in south Louisiana, USA, 60 inches of rain annually (1524 mm). I do all my trees on raised mound planting for better drainage.
As stated previously I have a few sweet cherry varieties started this spring.
Minnie Royal Cherry on Maxma.
Great growth on this one.
Royal Lee and Royal Crimson on Mazzard. The Royal Crimson is dying as seen in the photo. I grafted a few branches onto the healthy Minnie this week in hopes of saving some of the variety for fruit and pollination.
Lapins on Krymsk5 planted in an open bottom 36" fire ring, so it’s 18 inches above grade.
Kary Apricot, Cot-n-Candy Aprium, and Flavor Grenade Pluot all on Citation.
I lost a similar Katy Apricot on Citation last year to excessive weeping and it slowly declined and died late summer. Upon inspection I found no borer holes in the wood. This replacement Katy this year appears to be doing the same. Excessive weeping and now drooping leaves (at least compared to the aprium next to it). In the photo below I removed much of the sap from around the tree. I’ve recently read about issues in the deep south growing trees on Citation. PS the weeping was occurring before the watermelon vines at the base of the Katy were added. The issues of last year’s Katy in the same spot happened with no other plants at its base.
So having gone through the strengths and weaknesses of different rootstocks from this thread and looking online, I am looking again at my fruit tree situation.
As you stated, rootstock is the beginning. Of the varieties of rootstock mentioned in this thread, only Lovell seems to be available retail, with some wet soil tolerance.
The same company that I purchased both Katy Apricots on Citation now offers (for next year) Katy on your countries wonderful creation ROOTPAC-R. I’m considering buying this tree just for the rootstock and top working it, but I’ve read it does not root from wood easily so I can’t easily multiply is for other trees.
I can get adara scion from someone in this forum (hopefully).
So for the sweet cherries if I wanted to do something different than what I have in the ground I can graft adara to the Lovell and top work with the sweet cherry varieties I have or scions I can obtain.
Additionally I may graft both the Cot-N-Candy and Flavor Grenade onto the Lovell (if directly compatible) or adara interstem with the assumption I may lose these trees in the coming few years because of their Citation rootstock.
Also after reading that adara/puente roots easily, I’ll try to grow out 1 or 2 for future scionwood for myself and the forum. I don’t think chill wise I can grow the Adara fruit here…but that information is scarce online…
Any further thoughts?
For reference see photos below of the above mentioned trees.
Minnie Royal Cherry
Royal Lee Cherry
Dying Royal Crimson Cherry
Lapins Cherry
Katy Apricot in trouble.
Cot-n-Candy Aprium
Flavor Grenade Pluot
Hi Phil
Yes, of course I have a great idea.
It is a technique widely used by amateurs in Spain, and it will be great for you, since you will be able to obtain, in a short time, lots of Rootpac-R rootstocks (all with roots), and this metod is a much more efficient and safe than rooting.
The more years pass, the more rootstocks you will get.
The system is called in Spain "Layering by cutting and hilled ".
And almost better I open a new thread with this technique and explain all the details.
Regards
José
In the United States you call this tecnique “Mound Layering”, or “Stool Layering”.
But is not the correct technique, since it is not just cutting the rootstock and piling up soil.
It has many more details, to obtain higher quality rootstocks than those from nurseries.
I will explain it in detail.
Regards
Jose
Hello sir , my name is George and I’m a Cherry enthusiast producer ! I have 7-8 varieties in my orchards and I’m doing very well with that ! I wanted to talk to you so as to discuss about something that I’m thinking of how to grow the biggest Cherry in the world ! I made 43mm this year and I’m very happy with that ! Big hopes for big cherries ! If you have a Facebook and you want to talk with me let me be your friend! Greetings from Greece
Hi George, how are you?
I am very interested in having you as a friend and ally, since there are Greek nurseries with very good varieties (I will tell you about them by private message).
Regarding the variety of cherry that you have harvested with 43 mm, it is most likely the Hungarian variety Carmen (it is the variety with the largest size).
Carmen is a very good cherry, it is sweet and tasty, but it lacks a bit of firmness, and it is not crunchy in the mouth (I am a bit of a gourmet, and I demand a lot from cherry varieties).
This winter I will receive many varieties of cherries, but there are three varieties to highlight
This is Areko
And the one I like the most is this other variety, also German.
This variety
https://www.cerasina.com/products/cherries/final-121.html
For whatever you need, I am at your disposal
Regards
Jose
Steven, I see your " like " .
You’ve fallen head over heels in love with Cerasina Final 12.1.
This variety means eating cherries of the highest quality in the month of August.
Regards
Jose
I’m so happy for replying on my message ! Can we communicate in private ?
No George, not privately, my wife gets very jealous 
Of course we can chat by private message.
Regards
Jose
Haha that was a good one ! Yes private message is what I wanted to say ! Forgive my English sometimes 
I tried to send some photos here but they don’t upload thats why I told you about it !
Hi George, welcome! I have taken some cherry trees out but still have 3 left with 6 different varieties. My best have been Bing, Utah Giant, and Royal Rainer. You are welcome to pm me anytime.
All the best, Jon.
Hi Jon, I’m not George, but I’d like to chime in.
You have left a very good variety in your orchard :
The bad thing about the Utah Giant is that it is very sensitive to cracking.
If this variety were resistant to cracking, it would be one of the best varieties in the world.
It is an excellent cherry on the mouth , very sweet due to its high brix, and very tasty since it has the right point of acidity, very firm, so it is crunchy in the mouth.
It is a true marvel.
However, the year that it rains close to the harvest dates, the cracking rate is very high.
Regards
Jose
