Ranking of varieties of cherries, only "high quality" varieties

[Jose-Albacete]

@Jose-Fragoso

PS: I have the idea that in my area it is difficult to have cherries, either because of the lack of chill hours or because of the humidity, but this is just me speculating.

Jose , It’s not speculation; you have few hours of winter cold, look.

https://en.climate-data.org/europe/portugal/agueda/agueda-882447/

You are also heavily influenced by high humidity due to your proximity to the Atlantic Ocean.
In summer, the relative humidity is 63.5%.

I asked you about the pH to see which rootstock is best for you (I assume you have moisture in the soil).

I asked if it was for commercial or personal consumption, since for commercial purposes the cherries need to be ultra-hard so they don’t get damaged by the calibration machine and have a long post-harvest life.

And I asked about the number of cherry trees you can plant to make a selection of staggered ripening varieties.

In your conditions, it’s not a quick matter to respond, so give me a few days to give you a completely accurate answer.

Regards
Jose

[Beemster]

Hi Jose.
…you are looking for scion wood of Kiona and Cowiche…the commercial orchard near me (Rose Hill Farms) does not list either as a variety they grow commercially…perhaps they know a source.

Hudson Valley Apple Picking Orchard Rose Hill Farm

Cavalier, Rynbrandt, Ulster, Chelan, Celeste, Sam, Attika, Benton, Tieton, WhiteGold, Summit, Ebony Pearl, Black Pearl, Burgundy Pearl, NY 007, Black Gold, Regina, Sweetheart, V71151, Early Star, Grace Star, Black Star, Big Star

…I specifically asked Google Gemini for possible sources of Kiona and Cowiche trees or scion wood…here is its reply…good luck

Finding sources for specific fruit tree cultivars like Kiona and Cowiche sweet cherries, especially for scion wood, can sometimes be challenging as they might be proprietary or less commonly available to the general public compared to more widespread varieties. However, here’s what the search results indicate:

Kiona Sweet Cherry:

• Trees: Northwest Nurseries Improvement Institute (NNII) lists ‘Kiona™ PC8007-2 cv.’ among their varieties, suggesting they are a source for licensed nurseries. You might need to contact commercial nurseries that work with NNII to inquire about purchasing trees. Raintree Nursery lists various sweet cherry trees, but “Kiona” is not explicitly mentioned as available.
• Scion Wood: Direct consumer sales of Kiona scion wood were not explicitly found in the search results. Given its proprietary nature, it’s likely more restricted to commercial growers.

Cowiche Sweet Cherry:

• Trees: Mike and Brian’s Nursery lists ‘Cowiche™ (PC 7903-2 cv. / USPP 21073)’, indicating they are a potential source. Roots to Fruits Nursery also lists various sweet cherry trees, but Cowiche is not explicitly mentioned as available.
• Scion Wood: Similar to Kiona, direct consumer sales of Cowiche scion wood were not widely advertised. Whitney’s Grafting, located in Cowiche, Washington, is a professional grafting service that works with various fruit trees including cherries. While they primarily offer grafting services, they might be a valuable contact for inquiring about Cowiche scion wood availability or potential sources.

General Strategies for Finding These Varieties:

1. Contact Nurseries Directly:

• Commercial Nurseries: Reach out to large and specialized fruit tree nurseries, particularly those in the Pacific Northwest (where these varieties originated), and ask if they carry Kiona or Cowiche trees or scion wood. They may be able to order them or direct you to a licensed distributor.
• NNII (Northwest Nurseries Improvement Institute): Since both Kiona and Cowiche are listed by NNII, they are the primary intellectual property holders. While they don’t sell directly to the public, contacting them might provide information on licensed growers or propagators.
• Mike and Brian’s Nursery: Specifically for Cowiche, contact Mike and Brian’s Nursery to inquire about purchasing trees or scion wood.

2. Specialty Scion Wood Suppliers:

• Burnt Ridge Nursery: They offer a variety of cherry scion wood, though Kiona and Cowiche weren’t explicitly listed in the snippet. It’s worth checking their full catalog or contacting them directly.
• Fruitwood Nursery: They also sell cherry scion wood. Check their website for these specific varieties.
• Planting Justice: While they list various cherry scion wood, Kiona and Cowiche were not explicitly named in the search results.
• Under the Tree Farm: Another potential source for cherry scion wood.

3. Horticultural Organizations and Forums:

• Local Fruit Grower Associations: Join local fruit grower associations or online forums (like those related to home orcharding or rare fruit trees). Members often share information about where to find specific varieties or may even have scion wood to trade.
• University Extension Services: Horticultural departments at universities (like Washington State University, which is involved in cherry breeding) may have information on commercial propagators for their developed varieties.

4. Professional Grafters:

• Whitney’s Grafting: As mentioned, they are a professional grafting service located in Cowiche, WA. They might have insight into the availability of Cowiche scion wood or trees, even if they don’t sell directly.

Important Considerations for Scion Wood:

• Dormancy: Scion wood is typically harvested and sold during the dormant season (late winter/early spring) for grafting.
• Rootstock Compatibility: If you plan to graft, ensure you have compatible cherry rootstock.
• Propagation Rights: Be aware that some varieties, especially newer ones, may have plant patents or propagation rights, meaning you cannot legally propagate them for commercial purposes without a license. For home use, it’s generally less restrictive, but it’s good to be informed.

[fruitnut]

[quote=“Jose-Albacete, post:486, topic:33702”]

• Utah Giant is only suitable for climates with dry summers, as, of all the varieties, it is the most susceptible to cracking.

It never rains in my greenhouse and rarely outside in spring. So no need for me to stress about getting the unattainium cherry. Utah Giant is widely available in the US. Others could protect their crop. Some commercial growers utilize covers.

Further many here say that in bad conditions they all crack. It’s just a matter of degree.

[Beemster]

[quote=“Shibumi, post:478, topic:33702”]
Albacete region

…OK…for the record …the Albacete region, located in southeast-central Spain, is known for its dry, semi-arid climate. It receives an average of around 14 inches (350 mm) of rain per year. The driest weather is typically in JULY

, * Average Annual Rainfall: Albacete receives an average of 14 inches (350 mm) of rainfall annually.

• Driest Month: JULY is the driest month, with an average of 9.1 mm (0.4 inches) of rainfall.

Albacete · Spain

[Jose-Albacete]

@fruitnut

It’s just a matter of degree

Indeed, Steven.
The two most commonly used methods for estimating a variety’s cracking percentage are:

• The Christensen method
• The Waterfall method

Sweet cherry fruit cracking: follow-up testing methods and cultivar-metabolic...

Here in Spain, the large commercial cherry plantations are practically all under plastic cover (plantations in Lleida, the autonomous community of Aragon, the province of Alicante, etc…), while the Jerte Valley plantations, which are smaller plantations, use cracking-resistant varieties and are open-air.

Regards
Jose

[Jose-Albacete]

@Beemster

the Albacete region, located in southeast-central Spain

Yeahhhh Albacete in summer It’s like Irak .

Regards
Jose

[CAvocado]

Thanks for the help José. The red line is just under 3 feet (91 cm) above the ground on the Tieton, and the very top is an additional 4 feet from there.

I suppose I should also start watching these tutorials so I can do something similar with the Utah Giant. It’s a little larger, and has multipe branches reaching up to 7.5 feet in height.

[JPortela]

Hi José,
Welcome back.

Your potion makes Obelix jealous.
Could you please share your recipe?

Thanks!

[Jose-Albacete]

@JPortela

Your potion makes Obelix jealous.

Hi JPortela.
This magic potion is for stone fruit trees (nectarine peaches and flat peaches) and is applied through fertigation.

It contains these products:

• Ammonium sulfate (water-soluble crystalline)

• Tarssan Mix (chelated nutritional deficiency corrector)

• Vegetamin Eco (amino acids).

If it were for cherry trees, I would also use this:

• Liqui K Express (water-soluble crystalline potassium)

Depending on the season, I use different products.

Best regards
Jose

[Kiko]

hahahah, this isn’t a photo of your garden, it’s a photo taken from the internet that hundreds of people have used before you.

Here are some examples:

https://www.amazon.in/cherry-tree-rooted-live-plant/dp/B08SL8KKMD

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Only I’m posting this so everyone can see what a scammer you are, since half of the photos you post aren’t yours.

Have a nice day, Jose

[ZigaPirih]

My grafted bi-baum cherry tree from this year looking really strong. My plan once it gets a bit stronger is to graft 2 more varieties to it. Will probably go with Henriette, Areko and Carmen mix, since they polinate eachother. Rootstock is Colt.

[Fishsauce]

3rd party sellers on FB/Ebay/Amazon/Etsy are notorious for copying photos and listing descriptions from other sources. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but could those sellers copied from Jose instead?

[Jose-Albacete]

@Kiko

Only I’m posting this so everyone can see what a scammer you are, since half of the photos you post aren’t yours.

Have a nice day, Jose

Kiko, I chose that photo from the internet why was I recommendin to Beemster forum member , cracking-resistant cherry varieties available in the United States nurseries for hobbyst .

Black Star is one of the most resistant and is available at Merahbian Nursery.

Why did I use a photo from the internet instead of a photo of the Black Star cherry trees in my orchard?

Quite simply, because I wanted Beemster to understand that it’s a variety with a strong tendency to overload fruit, and heavy pruning is necessary to reduce the load and obtain good sizes.

As you know perfectly well, since you’re from the province of Albacete like me, we’ve had abundant rains during the cherry blossom season, and If I took photos of the branches of my Black Star trees, Beemster wouldn’t be clear that it’s a variety is prone to overload.

This is one of the two Black Star trees in my orchard today:

If I had posted this photos , Beemster I would have thought that this variety has no tendency to overload , and requires strong pruning, as with other hyper-productive varieties like Lapins, Pacific Red, or Royal Tioga.

You only have to look at post 126 and later in this thread to see that the photos of my cherry trees are my own, of varieties harvested from my orchard.

I know you have a personal grudge against me, for issues in Spain on which we disagree , bu this forum isn’t the right place for you to act like a fool, as you’re not only discrediting yourself, but you’re also discrediting the image North Americans may have of the Spanish.

Since you registered on this forum in 2023, you have only posted three times and have contributed absolutely nothing of value to American fans.

Many years ago, another stupid Spaniard (Sebastian Lendinez Galan, nicknamed Matrix)

@matrix

He also dedicated himself to tarnishing the good name of the Spanish people, and you are the same type of person.

Kiko, you are a young man in his early thirties with a small commercial fruit farm. I’m sure you have many positive things to contribute to this forum , but if your intention is to cloud and create discord on this forum, it’s best not to continue down that path.

Best regards
Jose

[Jose-Albacete]

@Fishsauce

3rd party sellers on FB/Ebay/Amazon/Etsy are notorious for copying photos and listing descriptions from other sources. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but could those sellers copied from Jose instead?

Hi Anh, the photo is from the internet, but read the previous message and you’ll understand why I used that photo.

Best regards
Jose

[Jose-Albacete]

@ZigaPirih

Will probably go with Henriette, Areko and Carmen mix, since they polinate eachother. Rootstock is Colt.

Hi ZigaPirih.
A few notes:

• Areko (late flowering season, compatibility group II, alleles S1-S3) and Henriette (late flowering season, compatibility group XX, alleles S1-S6) are pollination compatible.

• Carmen (mid-flowering season, compatibility group V, alleles S4-S5) is not pollination compatible with Areko or Henriette (no matter what you read on the websites of nursery resellers).

What two varieties does that cherry tree currently have?
To see if they are compatible with Carmen.

Colt is a very vigorous rootstock with very high water requirements.

Where are you from?

Best regards
Jose

[ZigaPirih]

Hey Jose. The current tree is Henriette. I was planning to graft Areko and Carmen onto it. (I do not know where I got info that those can go together). Seems I will graft only Areko onto it…

I am from Slovenia - town: Lesce.

Can you suggest which cherry varieties should I plant into my orchard? I can afford to plant cca. 6 cherry trees in total. I want to cover whole maturation range as much as possible. From early to late… We are getting cca. 1300mm rain per year. Here is the table of rainfall:

So what I am looking for are hardy varieties (late frost resistance and cracking resistance). I am really looking for best varieties that I can get.
At the moment I have access to: Areko, Henriette, Nimba, Carmen, Sweet Saretta, Sweet Gabriel and Sunburst.
But that does not mean that I need to use this in my garden.

What would you suggest for me?

Thank you.

[Jose-Albacete]

@ZigaPirih

What would you suggest for me?

You have a situation quite similar to that of forum member Jose Fragoso (he’s from Portugal).
I’ll make a selection that will work for both.

Jose has an additional problem: he has few hours of chilling.

You don’t have cold weather problems, but in your region, it rains in May and June, so you can only grow varieties that are highly resistant to cracking.
Areko and Henriette are two good candidates, but Carmen has a medium/low resistance to cracking, so it’s not suitable for you.

Give me a few days and I’ll prepare a list of varieties staggered in ripening.

Best regards
Jose

[Kiko]

No, you posted that photo because it’s a common practice of yours, people should know.

Your garden is a cemetery of dying plants. Post real photos, not ones taken from the internet to deceive people.

Of course we’ve had problems in the past, because sometimes being told the truth hurts, and you don’t accept it

P.S.: what a difference between the internet photo and the real one!!

[Jose-Albacete]

@Kiko

Your garden is a cemetery of dying plants. Post real photos, not ones taken from the internet to deceive people.

Kiko, I don’t like this.
, since you’re muddying the cherry thread.
I shouldn’t pay attention to you, and I do so out of respect for the members of this forum.

Look at some photos of the cemetery of dying trees.

I don’t want to hear any more from you.
This forum thread is about cherries, and we’re not dealing with any other nonsense.

Please, I ask you again.
Don’t disturb the good harmony of the forum.

Regards
Jose

[CAvocado]

Looks like easy pickings. I wish my trees looked so well manicured.