@mrsg47 a lot of things go into commercial production and i cannot commercially produce red raspberries at my site https://extension.psu.edu/red-raspberry-production
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There are commercial raspberries that some nurseries told me about that are not released to the public yet. A couple of years ago they offered to let me grow them. The only red raspberry we can grow at my location so far is wineberry which are small Wineberries. Unfortunately out of a hundred + i planted only 1 location of 5 plants could grow them. My wineberry was bulldozed to make room for the pond expansion project. Wineberry are certainly not an invasive in Kansas in my experience.
@39thparallel has a better location than me and can grow some raspberries but wineberry has grown poorly in the shade at his location never producing and certainly not spreading. I can grow black raspberries at my location very easily.
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