(directing to a more appropriate thread)
Barn Door might be the ticket.
Assuming this is in response to my posts.
The barn door method is basically a chip bud, or T-bud graft. Nice.
My issue is rootstock diameter being too small for the scion.
The bark will be exceedingly thin with such a small whip of a rootstock, so any method relying on a flap or flaps of bark won’t work.
Chip bidding is an option for sure, though my 60 year old hands might not be up for the delicate task.
I am thinking of getting a bundle and grafting enough that a few succeed, then planting them out. The company I referenced allows for caliper choice in the order so the best bet is to do that and march the scion caliper.
It certainly will be a learning experience which I enjoy.
So that nursery only sells grafted trees…
I was not too happy with the Fast Growing Tree customer service. The trees I got instantly started to wilt and they at first were naming which of the varieties they had on their multi grafted trees were and changed it after I had purchased it. I called them stating they were dying and they said to just wait 3 weeks later. I called and got a replacement only for the same thing to happen. I bought a bubblegum tree from them and Stark Bros and my bubblegum tree from Stark Bros is still alive but my tree from Fast Growing trees died. I have a pecan tree from Stark Bros in it’s place.
What I can say about Rock Bridge Trees is their trees have survived some cold temps. I bought a pecan tree from them and it survived a -15 day to a -10 day to to a -8 day back to back. I bought 2 JT 02 persimmon from him and did a scratch test on it after a -1 day to a -10 to a 1 degree day time span and they still are showing green. Some stuff has shown die back the last 2 years but these trees they sent have not.
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I just checked my Major pecan. It was brown so maybe it could survive one year but not the next. I think the first year I put a frost cloth over it and it lived. This year I did not put a frost cloth over the Major pecan from Rock Bridge and the sure crop and hardy giant from Stark Bros seemed to survive while the major seems to have died.
I know this comment is old, but I just thought it strange that your mailman will not just take the package to your porch. I live in a rural area and my USPS mailman delivers ALL kinds of packages to me all the time. If it’s too large to fit in my mailbox he just pulls into our driveway and leaves the package on the porch.
The only thing we have ever picked up from the post office is baby chicks before we moved to using a hatchery that has their own delivery drivers and about 15 years ago we were asked to pick up a bee package.
Anyway, I received an order of Myoga Ginger from Edible Acres yesterday. It was packed very well and someone even wrote a personal note in response to something I wrote when ordering. Also, I ordered 3 roots and they gave me 5, two of which were prime. The other two were good, just not as big, but they were free, so I’m not at all complaining!
Shaun has a video about how to plant them, so I watched it and planted all 5 right away in different areas of the property.
So far, so good. Giving them 5 stars at this point.
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Yes it probably does seem strange. I live up a private drive about 1/2 mile with a gate and dogs. The price i pay to not get home delivery is privacy.
My PO box does all that i need it to do for USPS.
I have UPS and FedEx sent to my friends house. They quit caring about names matching the homeowner years ago.
YMMV but that is my current situation.
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There are a few rules that carriers can use to not deliver packages to someone’s front porch. The address needs to be less than a 1/4 mile long, has to have a way to turn around without backing up (carriers are told to never back up in academy) and if there are animals outside the carrier can scan things animal interference. If a package was too big the carriers in my office would also refuse to deliver it but that was more so due to their laziness from my understanding. Rural carriers are paid on evaluation and not hourly so it is in their best interest to be able to can every parcel they can as packages take the longest to deliver. Mail takes seconds per house but packages take minutes. When I am alone on Saturday I will do the letters and it will take me a hour and something to do hundreds to over a thousand letters sometimes up to 2,000 letters but 100 packages takes me 2-3 hours. Like I said I am not dismounting and bringing the letters up a long driveway so it would take the carriers even longer. That is why carriers will try to take out all the packages they can from routes on the rural side. City carriers are paid hourly and that is why it is not ad evident with this type of thing happening.
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That makes sense.
A nice little nursery in Maine. I talked to the owner and will probably order a couple of pears, a plum and a peach. Prices are pretty fair but shipping is pretty high at $80. I called to talk to the owner and they said that they ship with large roots and pack them in moist stuffs… so the packages are heavy. I asked about shipping and he said that it doesnt matter to them USPS, UPS or FedEx whatever i want. That was refreshing.
Take a look and maybe something you have been looking for like Kosui pear which is pretty hard to find right now. They have some other interesting pears as well.
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I thought I recognized the name. These folks bought winter cove farm a former fruit tree nursery. Haven’t done business with them but glad to hear it was a pleasant experience 
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I was going to tag you and @steveb4 but i forgot to.
Yes he said his favorite peach in that location is Sugar Giant and the Red Clapps pear is doing great for them there… both have threads on here as well as Kosui pear and Vision plum that they carry.
I think they have alot more than their site suggests as they are sold out of alot of things…
You can find most of what they sell online but you would have to buy from several nurseries to do so…which made the shipping cost make sense to me.
Regardless he was very nice to talk to and i will likely order a couple of things that i dont have.
On the flipside i have a couple of orders at Ison’s and talking to them has been impossible for two months. They do not answer any of my emails and i have tried to call about 15 times. They have a great reputation and i am sure that i will get what i ordered…but their customer service has been a 0/10 for me.
They post on FB several times a day but cannot answer the phone or emails…which is strange.
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I posted a link to some raspberries that were a good deal on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. I received my order and they were wineberries. I messaged the owner and they said that their nephews must have shipped the wrong thing. (How do you ship someone wineberry plants that you dont sell)? Anyways i asked for them to do the right thing and send me what i paid for. They rapidly replied back that first thing monday morning they would ship out the correct plants.
One week has passed…nothing arrived and they have stopped replying.
I have had really good success with Ebay/Etsy but these guys are fraudsters.
I think they messed up with the cheap pricing and free shipping and then found a way out by sending me wineberries… anyways im gonna get my money back and give them some grief.
Im going to Take It To The Limit One More Time - Eagles
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The good thing for buyers on Ebay is if the items arrives not as described or broken you can file that on your return and the seller has to accept it as well as pay return postage. I think the only issue is you have 3 days to send it back and they can give you a ground shipping label hoping you don’t have a box. I had to do this last Christmas. I bought a crystal Christmas tree and the part that holds the Christmas tree had fallen off because the seller did not protect it in transit. When I looked at it the Christmas tree had many holes on it that were not really shown on the listing. The seller had put it in a small box with no cushioning/padding. I took a picture of the holes in it and how it was in 2 pieces. The seller was furious stating they had been selling on Ebay for over 20 years and accusing me of lying stating it was in like new condition when they sent it. They had to accept it though because of Ebay policy. I guess they have the power to blacklist you from their shop but do you really want to buy from someone who sent you a broken item or the wrong item? A lot of times you hear about sellers complaining about getting scammed but you never hear about the buyers getting scammed.
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Im about done with my orders for the year…
I ordered about $3XX worth of trees from Bay Laurel Nursery… none of them leafed out except for one. Im guessing due to them shipping them dormant from a cooler in January…plus my chill hours it was too much? I have emailed them about 2 weeks ago…no response.
One of the trees i wanted was a Arctic Glo and GrowOrganic had a deal so i went ahead and bought it along with a couple of others… they shipped it in full bloom last month… roots were dry…so im guessing that killed it. It hasnt showed any signs of life…with diligent watering.
So thats two Artic Glos… so i ordered another from OGW… it hasnt shipped yet… but one of the Asian Pears i ordered from them a month ago arrived with fireblight. It is DOA. Those were the smallest trees ive ever received…in 4 inch pots with dry rotted roots and a tiny stick of a graft. Hoping the other lives but its touch and go.
I placed 3 orders with Isons. One is still pending from October 2023… i have emailed about it with zero response…except for their corporate reply. I have called twice about it… once it was told that i was in a cold zone the other time was 3 weeks ago that it would ship that week. I ordered two Asian pears and both are DOA. The roots were the worst i have ever received…jet black nubs. The trees must have gotten frozen or something in their coolers. The worst customer service i have encountered ever…
St Lawrence Nursery- very nice trees and very well shipped. Excellent experience.
Stark Bros. I know some folks have issue with them but they send me nice trees with nice roots and they are just breaking bud. Always an easy transaction and communication with tracking numbers etc.
Gurneys- Same as Starks… i have no issues with them and i get what i pay for.
Ebay- i got burned for the first time and it was a very small amount… like $10. But i had to go thru all of the paces for the shipper to send me a label for return which they didnt… they closed the case without refunding me…i guess the shop closed up due to ripping off about a dozen or so folks. No worries… but ive always had good luck with Ebay before… with many hundreds of transactions.
Edible Landscaping- happy with what he sent me… i do not understand most of their new website…and its confusing. Its a hassle really. He upgraded some of the stuff i ordered… but again i dont understand the 4i or 3s stuff or whatever it was with the red X. I just ordered what was available. Good guy…nice plants…excellent transactions.
Raintree- i have stuff coming from them… to replace the Bay Laurel stuff. Likely more DWN stuff.
Im probably not going to ask for refunds on any of the dead stuff… Bay Laurel has strange policies on their shipping and its probably my fault for accepting those trees in January. GrowOrganic…i think they had good intentions… Isons- i think they knew better but i dont want to deal with them…to be honest i cant…they dont answer my emails and the person on the phone never knows anything. OneGreenWorld- i have an issue with those rice hulls that they use… they have sent me alot of stuff with dry rotted roots that are under those rice hulls. Thats just how they do things and i guess thats why i usually order 3 of whatever and hope that one lives. Im upset that i paid good money for those twigs of Asian Pears…but they wont get much more of my money.
I had a good run of box store trees- some from Menards, some from Home Depot, Some from Lowes and some from Rural King. Mostly things that i never would have bought online or things that actually cost more with shipping online…
So long story short i have alot more trees and canes than i did… some bumps in the road that cost me money… but overall im happy and moving onward with Growing (more) Fruit.
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OGW trees have always been tiny little things like that for me, but the grafts have always been good and they have always lived… except for this year. I got a tiny potted Cardinal persimmon this winter that didn’t leaf out and a grape that was DOA. As to trees that actually leafed out, I got a very small Raja Asian pear whip on BET that has already doubled in size this season. And an Empress Gee jujube that was about 6 inches with roots that would fit in a shot glass, but it’s sending out a primary shoot now. And then the mystery – a bare root Chojuro Asian pear that was probably the biggest and best tree that I’ve ever gotten from them – almost 4 feet tall with good branching and good roots. Here it is after just a few weeks in the ground:
No idea why I hit the jackpot with the Chojuro. It wasn’t advertised any differently. It is probably two years ahead of the others out of the gate.
I got two Asian pears and a persimmon from them several years ago and those ended up being the nicest new trees of the season for me. But then they failed to ship a muscadine that I’d been on a waitlist for and finally been able to order. I emailed them about it, they didn’t respond, and I forgot about it. Then, almost two years later, I ordered something else from them. They contacted me, apologized about the muscadine they discovered they had never shipped, and shipped it with my new order. So I consider it a wash – at any rate, the error was clearly due to mistake rather than dishonesty.
That’s been my experience, too, but I hate that have a strictly-observed policy of not telling me what rootstock my trees are on. That relegates them to nursery-of-last-resort.
I have generally been happy with my orders from EL except for two purported Gerardi mulberries that… weren’t. That’s a big time-waster. Also, one time I ordered two Asian pears on callery – I very explicitly wanted callery – and the tags came saying OHxF-87. The trees are doing well and appear to be true-to-type, though. In general, I consider them a good nursery with a good selection and good prices. That said, I agree that their new website is a tragedy. I can’t make heads or tails of it.
New to me this season was Grandpa’s. I ordered three sour cherries and a Bell pear from them this year – my first order from that nursery. I was pretty impressed. Rather more expensive than average, including the shipping, but all four of the trees were great quality, 3 to 4 feet tall, maybe 1/2 inch to 5/8 inch caliper with branching and good roots, and breaking bud soon after planting. They were the standout this year for quality. And I ordered them late, too, so presumably those trees were the dregs.
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I was lucky with Ison’s last Spring (2023) when they shipped me 3 Asian pears, all 3 survived the winter and 2 actually have some tiny fruits this year. StarkBros also have good trees at decent prices, I got 4 jujubes from them and only one didn’t survive last winter. Edible Landscaping has really good trees at decent prices but their shipping is expensive and it’s best if you can make a trip and pick them up.
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A few years ago I ordered from Ison’s and they ran a Black Friday sale of 10% off. I emailed to cancel my old order and create a new one and I called them but they never answered either. Bay Laurel most of their stuff came out with me last year but they did not make it through the winter but most stuff was a gamble given zone hardiness too as I am now zone 6 but was zone 5 before. I don’t think we had a particularly bad winter though. All my experiences with Grow Organic have been bad personally. Gurneys I have the issue of a lot of their stuff they will not ship to my state. They refuse to ship pretty much any stone fruit to CO. Ebay has been hit or miss with any product honestly. I have flat out had sellers scam me by sending a package and it was not what it was. Last Christmas I ordered a crystal ornament (not cheap by the way) and the seller failed to package it right and it came totally broken into pieces. I did a return right away for item damaged and said the item was broken into pieces and not protected in shipping at all. The Ebay seller then sent me a message stating they had been selling for many years and they had never had a issue and that they packaged it well as well as that it was not broken when they sent it. Of course they sent it in a priority box with wrapping paper around it with a ground label and gave me a ground label to send it back. If you go to Ebay Reddit that seems to be a trend. Blame the customer seems to be the Ebay seller modo.
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From my experience with One Green World they are either great or they are not. It is something like my fig tree that just keeps on kicking or you get dead trees that do not come out of dormancy. I have had many trees that just never bud out from One Green World. I bought 3 or 4 or maybe even 5 pawpaw and 1 honey babe peach tree from One Green World last year. Only 1 pawpaw came out but did not last. I took pictures of them all but for some reason I got something like 40 credits. I tried to use it on a chestnut tree this year and they emailed me in March or April they did not have enough and would need to cancel. Luckily they were able to turn it into a cash transfer so I just bought it for cheaper from Burnt Ridge.
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