Ribes Breeding & Hybridizing (Currants & Gooseberries)

We don’t seem to have a thread on this topic, so I thought I’d get it started since I’m sure there are a number of folks out there dabbling with breeding Ribes (currants & gooseberries - both domestic & wild species).

I’m currently working on a couple projects and have another planned so I’ll get this thread started.

Project #1: Sawfly resistant gooseberry - I am one generation into this project. I had accidentally acquired a wild species gooseberry which I believe to be R. curvatum. As luck would have it, it has shown incredible resistance to saw fly defoliation even when other gooseberries around it are getting hit hard. I even hand placed about a dozen sawfly larvae on it once to see if they were simply having a hard time finding it (maybe it smells different to them) or if they just don’t like the taste. By the next day almost all the larvae had left the plant and the few that stayed ate very little before later disappearing. Unfortunately, the fruit from this plant has been tiny and unproductive. It does seem to cross well with cultivated gooseberries though, and I now have about half a dozen young hybrid plants derived from it. Whatever made the parent resistant must be either a recessive trait or a trait based on multiple genes since the first generation hybrid offspring have not inherited much sawfly resistance. I do think that once I can create some sibling crosses between these hybrids, some of the F2 generation may end up inheriting the sawfly resistance.

Project #2: Flowering currant x golden currant hybrid (for fun mostly) - So far there only seems to be one clone of this type of cross circulating and it’s grown strictly as an ornamental. It’s called Ribes ×gordonianum and resulted from an accidental cross between R. sanguineum and R. odoratum. It inherited intermediate traits with flowers having a cool mixed tones of pink & yellow. The clone in circulation seems to be sterile though as no one seems to ever report that it can bear fruit. Last year I attempted to recreate the cross (sort of) by placing a white flowered selection of R. sanguineum next to a nice orange fruiting clone of R. aureum while both were in bloom. I got some fruit set from my R. sanguineum which I already knew to be non-self pollinating. A fair number of seedlings have since germinated and based on their leaf morphology, I’m confident they are hybrids! Oddly, they all have a lot of hairiness which far exceeds that of their mother, so the genes from the male parent must have unlocked a trait which was normally genetically suppressed despite being present (sort of like the hairy “liger” of Ribes). I don’t expect these hybrids to be fertile, but if any of them do prove able to set fruit at maturity that would be an awesome bonus! I mostly just expect them to be a sort of novelty.

Here’s a picture of the R. sanguineum × R. aureum seedlings with a leaf from the mother plant held up for comparison:


Note: Since R. odoratum and R. aureum have been merged to subspecies level of one single species, that may mean that the same hybrid designation, Ribes ×gordonianum, may also apply to these seedlings, but I’m not 100% certain yet.

Project #3: Ribes aureum v. aureum (orange fruited selection) × Ribes aureum v. villosum (previously known as R. odoratum) ‘Crandall’ - This project is still in the planning phase and not yet underway like the first two projects. My hope is to breed a selection that has the larger berry size and self-compatibility of ‘Crandall’ (able to set fruit without a pollenizer), with the delicious citrusy tasting orange fruit of my v. aureum selection. Also, ‘Crandall’ seems to have resistance to a bacterial (or maybe it’s fungal) issue which causes some of the flowers and growing points on my orange fruited selection to “damp off” each year, so selecting for that resistance in the hybrid offspring would be important as well.

Feel free to share any Ribes breeding projects you have going (both planned and in progress), or simply participate to add constructive discussion for the projects others are working on.

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So I have a pet project that I plan to do with the recent colossal cuttings that I got, assuming survival. But either crossing colossal with my Glendale or poorman. Glendale will most likely be the one as poorman wakes up way late.

With the hope of improving berry size and also heat/humidity resistance. Glendale and poorman for me both do great with Maryland’s swampy summers and they are both south-southwest facing.

Then possibly doing a back cross depending on berry size and flavor. And ability to survive the heat.

Gonna be a few years tho under the best of circumstances. Gooseberry Flowers are tiny too so controlling pollen is gonna be a chore as well, so if anyone has any suggestions feel free to speak up!

Keep us updated on your stuff johann! Orange fruit would be great!

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Gooseberries (and currants) respond really well to fertilizer, so I think you can help speed up your project by fertilizing seedlings generously to get them to flowering size faster. I mixed some high nitrogen slow release fertilizer into the planting mix for the hybrid seedlings pictured above and at only a couple inches tall, many of them are already pushing side shoots!

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I mix osmocote into all my potting mix and for my in ground gooseberry and currants they also get some Langbeinite in the spring and mid summer (along with osmocote).

i have some of the Schultz’s green liquid stuff that I use for my indoor stuff. So I can feed them with that. Once I get some seedlings :muscle:

Good to know they respond well to fertilizer

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Another great project @JohannsGarden! Please keep us up to date on it! I had no idea there was so much potential in Ribes species. I am especially interested in the sawfly resistance, that must have a really interesting mechanism.

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Interesting project. I bought a small R. aureum ‘Gwens’ in the fall of 2023. It’s a variety known for it’s culinary qualities, like ‘Crandall’.

I would like to get a fuchsia-flowered gooseberry R. speciosum and a R. nevadense to see if the fruits are any good. I’m curious if they could hybridize with R. aureum.

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That’s great news, it’s a hard one to come by. I once got ahold of some seeds but was unable to germinate any. It should have very good heat resistance and probably above-average fungal disease resistance given that it is native to parts of the Deep South. To my mind, Ribes curvatum x Ribes odoratum “Crandell” would have potential in the South.

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Wow, so, ok, there’s a bunch of Ribes species that could be useful. I’d never looked into it much, but there are Ribes growing all throughout the montane tropics and subtropics of North and South America, as well as some in subtropical East Asia.

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My (what I believe to be) R. curvatum came from the USDA. I had requested scion from a named gooseberry cultivar, but after rooting and growing it out it became apparent that this wasn’t it. I contacted the USDA and they confirmed that the various Ribes in their collection had seeded about quite a bit and so it was in fact the result of a different species seedling popping up and then growing through the accession I had requested. I assumed that my specimen must have grown from something that was present in their collection, so I compared its traits to that of all the species present in the total collection (plus any which might just be wild in the surrounding area) and eventually narrowed it down to R. curvatum. I don’t know if the sawfly resistance is uniform in that species overall or if I just got lucky with an anomaly, but I’m happy to share scion wood for breeding during the dormant season. Actually, I believe there might be a couple of different sawfly species which affect Ribes, but only seem to have one of those species present locally. While I’m confident with its resistance here, it would still be an unknown as to whether it’s also resistant to the other sawfly species that I don’t have here.

Also, the R. curvatum I have gets really good purple fall color and holds onto its leaves longer than my other gooseberries in the fall. I think that makes it more ornamental, so if that trait could also get bred into hybrids it would be a bonus.

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