Were any of those americans damaged?
No. They are full of blooms right now.
That is great news in spite of the disappointment at least you can dependably do americans! They are tasty. And i sure hope jt-02 recovers for you perhaps it may be decades before you go quite that cold again… and there could have been other factors that set up perfect like windchill etc, that may not do this much damage for a long time i hope! To be a grower on the edge we have to be optimistic you know!
@tonyOmahaz5 So sorry to hear about the bad news on your persimmons and jujubes. I lost a few jujubes this year too to -17 cold weather. I also lost a couple to late frosts too. They were leafed out good and it smacked them. The ones that were bit by the frost top killed all the way to the ground but are resprouting, not the ones hurt by the extreme cold, they are dead. Mother Nature can be cruel, that is for sure.
I’m sorry to hear your losses, Tony. Feel free to reach out if you need scions to graft onto the rootstock suckers that will pop back up. Hopefully, that sort of cold is a rare thing for you.
Thanks Andrew. First -29F experience in my 40 yrs living in Nebraska. I just have to regroup and graft again next year.
I like this site for giving me some hope that such things don’t happen often. Kind of clunky, but the state name in the link can be edited to different states.
It was a rare event for sure. Hopefully no time soon! Dec 22, 1989 is the date that sticks with me because it was the last time the cold was so horrible in central/western NE. I’m going to forge ahead with a clean slate and expect it won’t happen again
@snowflake That is likely. Optimism is the key to success. We have to balance Optimism and Reality. For your climate I think I would go with some good americans like Prok, 100-46, and just JT-02 for the hybrid zone push. And on jujube probably Sugarcane will be good, and others with z5 cold hardy reputation. I dont think I would go with Li types though, I have read even a nursery advertized tip damage likely below -10F which I have experienced worse damage with less cold it seems too tender. And bury the graft or better yet get them on their own roots. But late bloom pear and peach or grape might be a good backup plan…
Don’t forget to add Morris Burton MB#3 D.V. to your collection. It is so good with red fruits with no astringency when soft ripen.
Wow, sounds good, that sounds like a great one for us all!
In Nebraska, I think a late bloom pear is called a persimmon The late freezes get old for sure.
They sure do get old! Here in kansas too, it can be such a setback… Im hoping my latest, Harvest Queen and P.Slanopadja pear and maybe the Harrow types prove dependable. But late bloom apples like Dabinett and CPPlat have my interest too. Also Olpea’s dependable peach recommendations especially Veteran… But grape and blackberry or raspberry might be our only truly dependable crops…? i am making plans to multiply them just in case! I have a row of old grapes that are very dependable. My sister bought a random thornless blackberry that loads down every year so im multiplying it too
I have several like these. Did,t like the new growth, so had to shortened the tree again.
This one completely rebuilt to new.
that’s awful news @tonyOmahaz5 . I feel your pain.
relieved to hear your hj’s are bouncing back, and hopefully your rootstock would be ready for grafting for what remains of this year or next year.
btw, where am at, vegas booty and sihong(on their own roots) seem to be the most vigorous(especially when de-flowered or de-fruited for at least a couple yrs), and hopefully someday would be good replacements for thorny wild-type rootstock as either stand-alone trees, or as multi-grafted specimens. I hope you haven’t given up on your self-rooted clones. My self-rooted li and chico clones insist on producing lots of flowers instead of growing vegetatively. May take a while to find out if they are worthy on their own roots. My airlayered chico even produced a couple fruits despite the tiny pot it was planted in. Small pots being more prone to encrustation with alkali buildup due to our hard water, and more prone to loss of moisture in 116F for several days. The two chico fruits hang on despite getting baked for more than a week now . Also quite amazed that Vegas lucky and glitzy have produced a few clones from wispy root cuttings, and looking forward to broadcast to as many people! Since we have grown booty/lucky/glitzy from seed, then not as worried about clonal age having any influence on performance/hardiness, and will only have to worry about whether or not they have good genetics for hardiness.
it will obviously take several years to prove hardiness of other seedlings or other old cultivars(on their own roots), but having booty and sihong already as candidates, just need to propagate them en masse as a tangible alternative measure against dieback, since they could regenerate from below ground and won’t have to graft.
we’re all in this together, many members here would help get your juju orchard re-established sooner rather than later
Thanks Raf. I looked at the 2 years old Vegas Booty jujube and I saw a 3 inch green tip above the graft. Also the 3 yrs old Orange Beauty got a foot of growth above the graft. So far Honey Jar, Orange Beauty, and Vegas Booty are making a come back from -29F. From here on, I will bury the new jujube graft union a foot below ground just for insurance for my future jujube orchard.
btw, if citrus trees aren’t as ubiquitously occurring here in vegas than in phx, az, it is because vegas is more likely to be subjected to an arctic spell once-every-decade-or-so, killing fully-grown citrus trees down to the graft. The owners probably just destroy the thorny trifoliate rootstock instead of grafting them over… The only difference between jujus and citrus is that air-layered citrus taken from mature trees will be runty. They will bear fruits but will be bonsai’d. Just glad that many self-rooted jujus are capable of launching strong uprights, and capable of doing so in great numbers from below-ground.
Jujus are also more capable of bearing fruits on same year the uprights developed(from way low on the trunk, or even from below the soil-line), which one won’t expect from a self-rooted citrus that died back to the main trunk or down to the ground.
I’m a week late but just read that you lost almost all your jujube and just wanted to say I’m very sorry. Your information has always been so helpful, and I’ll never forget you sending me a bunch of samples from your trees back before I even knew what a jujube was. I’d be happy to send you some honeyjar or sugarcane wood if you have rootstocks that survived.
How many total trees did you lose?
Sorry for your loss. No one deserves to have that happen less than you!
we did a full crop inspection and the finial counts are what we really have for Fruit
Apples have a 10% crop
Asian Pears depending on Location 40% crop
European Pears 2% of a crop
Pawpaws 60% crop
Persimmons 85% crop
Kiwi’s “0” % crop
Quince 2 % of crop
Medlars 25% of a crop
Chestnuts are OKAY
Walnut are Hit and Miss @ 20% crop
Pecans depend on Location but about 40% of a crop
Saskatoons was about 100%
And Berries had an excellent crop
Jujubes of what trees are a live will produce heavy
I wish I had a better news but Farming is damn tough