“Sapranthus palanga” a tropical fruit of Guatemala similar to Asimina triloba aka PawPaw.
Die back occurs at 28°F, according to a 1918 article David Fairchild.
The fruits are claimed to be very similar in size, flavor & aromas to Asimina triloba.
Yields are in large clusters of large fruits.
But the number of clusters is low.
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I am not certain if it is good tasting I read a lot that it is not
also some locals say they do not eat it on certain sites
Although I have also heard very good tasting fruit is bad before (like native American persimmon )
I know of some tour places if someone wanted to call, and ask about it , but not sure what would come about it …
Good for looking out you could be right
I think you should look at Finger sop (he says it taste like pawpaw)
finger-sop (Meiogyne cylindrica), native to Australia.
Oh if he brings up Fruit that the Dinosaurs ate
keep in mind there was paw paws (Asimina) that went extinct in Europe as well.
Here is another Sapranthus species
https://www.backyardnature.net/mexnat/sapranth.htm
(not much here on Sapranthus ,
but a bunch of other Annonaceae species )
https://annonaceae.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/2167/media
(there is even a species that you use the Seed as a Nutmeg substitute of coarse it doesn’t take much
I think it’s Monodora myristica, the calabash nutmeg )
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Wow, a lot of information which I didn’t know.
Some valuable reading.
Often with tannic fruits people don’t know how to tell when ripe.
Also soil type & how grown can affect ripening.
Fruits high in methoxypyrazines need leaf pulling on North side of canopies to ripen fruits.
Hard to know what vetted scientific facts.
Thanks
People put creamer in coffee so fat binds to the bitter tannin
(palanga ICE cream)
who knows if it even tastes bad the flower is said to smell of meat
Maybe the locals are Snobs in the resort part of town
or maybe just afraid , because no one else eats
Of coarse it could always just not taste good as well.
Could also be it taste fine, but there are better fruits …
I will look into that methoxy pyrazines
I’ve heard of it before
Fruit that grows on the tree stems or cauliflory is pretty cool non the less …
Methoxypyrazines occur in many fruits.
The best taste example is under ripe Sauvignon Blanc.
The green grassy bitter bell pepper taste in under ripe Sauvignon Blanc.
It is indirect yellow sunlight that ripens Methoxypyrazines into aromatic Terpenoids.
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@ZinHead I was not sure if I missed something about methoxyprazines
Did Palanga contain them
These are older links I looked over them but didn’t see it mentioned
As for Bell Pepper smell in pawpaw leaves I do see that
I have also did show someone to tell the difference in pawpaw by smell
they do look like buck eye trees in the woods…
Does Palanga have that smell (or what annona species
I have not smelled bell pepper in Cherimoya leaves or Soursop
Is that a Indicator that the fruits have it as well…
Here are these resources if you want to contact these people also.
contact here see the map of Inatural -
(note these might not be the best links it is in Spanish
Here is a address though
estacion experimental forestal horizontes
21km norte del Do It Center Guanacaste Guardia,
Liberia, 50104,
Costa Rica
https://www.nolimitadventurescr.com/2019/06/21/costa-rica-nature-top-10-trees/
I edited this link out as I do not see it as a contact
(was not saved to myself)
This site however does explain the environment
If your in the desert Looks like Palanga likes High humidity (96%)
This is only 40 KM away, from estacion experimental forestal horizontes
and this site explains the environment better so I added it in
The Reserva Biologica Alberto Manuel Brenes (ReBAMB) is an 80 km² protected biological reserve of primary humid tropical rainforest located in central Northern Costa Rica (Figure 1A). It includes the 3.2 km² densely vegetated San Lorencito study catchment which drains towards the Caribbean Sea (to the East). Although situated East of the continental divide, both the Northern Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea climatically affect this catchment. The elevation in the catchment ranges from 874 m to 1472 masl with steep slopes of 22%, on average (Figure 1 and Table 1). Based on the range of elevation, the study site classifies as a transitional tropical rainforest situated between the higher elevation cloud forests (>1800 masl) and lower pre-montane and lowland rainforests below 800 masl.
The humid tropical climate of San Lorencito is characterized by high annual rainfall and a constant temperature; these yield on average 2589 mm (2013-2016) and almost 20°C, respectively. Annual discharge averages 2099 mm and potential evapotranspiration is estimated at around 500 mm per year. The relative humidity is constantly high at around 96%. The monthly precipitation regime shown in Figure 1C indicates a wet season (May-November) and a moderate dry season (December-April). Despite moderate seasonality, convective rainfall events are common throughout the year. The climate is further influenced by the El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) with the ENSO warm phase (El Niño) producing drier conditions on the Pacific slope and at the same time wetter conditions in the Caribbean. The ReBAMB receives seasonally orographic rainfall, but the local surface conditions (e.g. vegetation) dominate the local rainfall input.
The University of Minnesota cataloged these plants
I had company but looks like after I put the youtube video in Spanish to English transcript it mentions that …
As you can tell I am interested in these species as well
https://bellatlas.umn.edu/collections/list.php?db=1&reset=1&country=Costa%20Rica&state=&county=
(see quote off Youtube (translated Spanish to English )
and all this generates
knowledge so that people can
use them in horizons we can
tell it all
because what generates information
national university or what it generates
information the technological what it generates
information the university of minnesota
we can make it all known
audax project is an essay where
is playing by doubling the
Possible environmental conditions
future for experts the stage
climate of guanacaste is in that
rainfall reduction to 50% within
some years where here what we
we try to do is to cover 50% of the
forest area to prevent that
rain come over the forest to impose
an artificial drought…
…
…
Also see When I went to another site Herban w Mex
I also laughed when I saw it was mentioned in Minnesota (bell atlas) as well
Maybe check Arizona as it seems closer to you
Red de Herbarios del Noroeste de México - Sapranthus palanga
----> Parque Nacional Santa Rosa
R7QV+5XC
Hacienda Murciélago
Guanacaste Province
Costa Rica
https://herbanwmex.net/portal/collections/map/googlemap.php?usethes=1&taxa=156038
— > Location: Costa Rica, Guanacaste, Palo Verde Field Station on the Comelco Ranch. Rio Tempisque drainage.
Arizona State University Vascular Plant Herbarium (ASU: Plants)
Red de Herbarios del Noroeste de MéxicoDetailed Collection Record Information
Have not had time to read about Sapranthus palanga yet.
The Methoxypyrazines in pepper & grapes is a different Methoxypyrazine from Annonaceae.
The type in grapes has a bitter grassy herbaceous flavor.
Under ripe Sauvignon Blanc has a lot more of it, far more than bell pepper.
But the type of Methoxypyrazines in Annonaceae are different chemicals with different aromas:
2-isopropyl-3-methoxypyrazine
2‐Alkyl‐3‐methoxypyrazines
2-sec-Butyl-3-methoxypyrazine
6-bromo-3-iodo-2-methoxypyrazine
4-methyl-5-vinylthiazole
2-isobutyl-3-methoxy-pyrazine
2-methyl-3-methoxypyrazine
2-methyl-6-methoxypyrazine
3,5-dimethyl-2-ethylpyrazin
dimethylpyrazine
2,3-diethyl-5-methylpyrazine
3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethyl-2(5H)-furanone
All can be ripened by leaf pulling north side of canopy!
Let indirect yellow sunlight get on the fruit starting 6 weeks before harvest.
Oh these are more places to contact people (herbarium )
I did search The ferns (for edible information)
but sapranthus did not come up
Nothing really to read
Nice info on grapes , and Methoxy “prazine”
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If the species has not naturally spread outside of a humid high rainfall environment with clay soil,
then it has probably zero chance in the Sonoran Desert.
Thanks