If it is seeded there, would that mean that it is most likely a 60 chromosome variety? There aren’t too many improved 60 chromosome varieties.
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I may have to try it when you start selling it. I’ve always thought they all tasted similar to me but maybe I need to try one from another area.
This one is extra large for sure, and it’s a wild seedling although it’s cloning itself via suckers. We have both 60 and 90 chromosome types here, which is nice since the 90’s start dropping early and 60’s start around/after the first frost. The 60’s usually aren’t worth eating unless you’re just trying to get your wild probiotic in or if you find loads at once; they’re just mealy, dry, and they hang onto the tree forever. The 90’s aren’t necessarily common here but they definitely taste better; the only negative with them usually is that they explode into jelly puddle when they fall. There’s one of my farm that’s a yellow-orange one and it tastes like a spicy banana but it’s hard to find one that’s not exploded and full of leaf, dirt, and grass. This Catawba Treasure seems remarkable in that a great majority fall at perfect ripeness and maintain an almost marketable appearance, very little damage usually. If I had to bet then I’d say this is a 90 but that’s just based on what people tell me about the 90’s (larger, earlier, etc).
Borer, I’d be happy to sell you some fruits this year. Just a few to try or a few pounds.
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If you’re getting suckers, you may be able to propagate own-root trees. From my research, it sounds like the only real chance to root persimmon cuttings is to take them from root suckers.
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My thoughts exactly !
Or … More precisely , root cuttings from the ortet
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Yeah, root cuttings for sure! I’ve also read etiolation works, but all the researchers that I’ve read doing that use it to get plants that they then use to take cuttings from root suckers. So, having roots to begin with puts you ahead of the game.
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One of my main goals is to dig up a sucker but they are all quite large, like 7-12 feet. I’ve cleared some of the brush around the trunks in hopes that a new one would emerge but I may just start digging on one of these 7 footers and just prune it back really hard. Digging persimmons ain’t easy…but if I can just get a few to grow in pots then I can reproduce them like crazy.
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Just a good section of root will likely sprout shoots.
Not nessisary to have existing shoot ?
At least they do here , say if roots are cut with farm machinery, they will sprout shoots.
Just saying this may be a good opertunity to propagate self rooted trees, as most varietys ,the original ortet has been lost to time.
Also not saying this is efficient ? But , maybe?
Just a rare opportunity.
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I think it is a rare opportunity indeed. I can’t find much detailed info on propagating persimmons by root cuttings but I intend to try it. I’ve done it successfully before, albeit accidentally. I left potted persimmons in one place too long, then moved them, and they made clones in the soil and in the pots underneath.
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Put me on top of the list when you have one to sell / trade !
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There’s a lot of relevant info out there in the bonsai world. They use root cuttings all the time to propagate tropical “Princess” persimmons, and many other trees. Just take a piece of root, stick it in a pot, treat it like an established plant, and wait.
Full disclosure: I haven’t actually done this personally with persimmon, but I’ve seen it referenced in many credible sources.
@Hillbillyhort, that’s a good vocab word, ortet. I’ll have to remember that for my next Scrabble game.
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Wow, those are HUGE! I’d love to get some seeds even, if you end up giving/selling any?
We sell the seeds on various Facebook groups every year, and we have some left if you’re interested. I think we’re selling 10 perfect ones for $6, shipping included, 50 seeds for $18, and 100 for $30. But I’d be willing to give discounts since they’re not “fresh from the fruit.” They’re all outside in a pot covered in mulch at the moment.
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I wonder if I could end up eating persimmons even earlier than you in a warm climate 
Sure, I may be interested in 10 at a discount? 
I hope so! I bet if we could plant these seeds all over the world we’d get some amazing new ones. It’d be interesting to see if this one ripens earlier in a warmer place, but I don’t think this is the earliest one; there are other large, good tasting ones here that start falling in late August/early September too, they’re just not as good all around as this one so I eat them but don’t collect seed or scion.
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30% off for all forum members (slight shipping upcharge if you live outside the continental US but otherwise shipping’s included).
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If I were to graft fuyu onto d lotus ,d Virginia 60 and d Virginia 90 chromosome what difference would be in the harvest time on all of the three??
Hello,
This variety is slightly larger than what I grew up seeing in Tennessee. Would it be possible to obtain seeds of this one that I could try to grow in my area here in Western Wa?
Dennis
Kent, Wa
I can certainly send you some seeds. We have only a couple hundred left from last fall’s bountiful harvest; we’ve been selling them at $6 for ten+ seeds shipped, $18 for 50+ seeds shipped, or $30 for 100+ seeds shipped, but I have offered anyone purchasing them through this forum a 30% discount.
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