Thanks for the inspiration Zendog, Yeah i think i will do some research first and i was going to go with a seed tray heatmat and a dome, i have not stratified the seeds yet or anything but will let you know how it goes! We have no humidity here so eventually they would need to go into some form of terrarrium i place near my fruits and vegetables when i dont have plant starts.
Indoor terrariums with lights are great for the tropical types of carnivorous plants. This nepenthes loves it in the vivarium with my kid’s dart frogs.
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This is such a neat idea! So very generous of you!!
If most of my tomatoes make it, I will have 50-60 extra. I have offered them to friends and plan to bring the extras to my church to give away. Some of our more senior members used to garden quite a bit, but can’t now. They still like to grow a few plants in pots, so maybe some of mine will work for them.
I read your post last year about your carnivorous plants. That is just the coolest thing!! I don’t have any experience with them, but now I am interested and will do some reading up on them. Thanks for sharing the pics!!
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I got very lazy this year - in the vegetable department. Been busy with fruit trees . . .
So, I bought one of those little trays of the Jiffy expandable peat pots for my tomatoes and cukes. I don’t have a big garden - just a small one for fresh eating and sharing.
I’m JUST planting my seeds today!
But, I’ve found that if I plant outdoors, too early - the plants just sit - and don’t take off till mid-May, anyways - or even later. I may go buy a tomato or two . . . just to have something taller than 6", out there!
I’ve tried all sorts of ‘methods’. Paper cups. Peat cups. Plastic cups. Plastic trays and seed mix, like the Burpee. Most important to me is not having to disturb the root system when transplanting . . . and often - just getting the little plants out of some of the plastic trays causes problems.
I’ll try the expandables - and may have to move them to a bigger peat pot before they reach the garden. I have 2 heat pads to give them a kick in the pants! - - - 
My first effort at growing my own seedlings - was in 1975. I remember I planted them in paper cups, set those in cake pans - and put them in the oven to germinate. Worked great. But did get in the way of ‘dinner prep’!
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Most plants have no ill effects from disturbing roots but what does bother almost all plants is soil temps to cold. It will set them back.
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Plants doing very well so far this year, pushing the limit on starting things early with tomatoes and peppers in 1 gal pots. Growing my transplants out in my warmer upstairs office versus colder basement has made a huge difference in vigor and overall health.
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On 3/14/20 I planted a variety of vegetables and flowers in a seedling mix that was equal parts of these
ProMix Garden Mix : Peat : Coconut coir : DE (Napa floor dry)
Peppers are starting to get their second set of true leaves, and lower ones are yellowing - indicating I should be fertilizing or something else?
Looks like i forgot to thin my peppers down to one per cell, oops! Need to do that.
It’s been several years since i have started peppers indoors, don’t remember when or if I up-potted last time I grew peppers. Anytime ok? How long can you keep them in this size 6-pack (72 cell size)?
So I check seedlings several times a day, letting soil dry out and plants maybe starting to wilt just a bit before watering from the bottom. Everyone looked OK in the evening, but by morning, the Veronica romanesca cauliflower was severely wilted, and two of the little guys aren’t going to make it, I’m afraid. I haven’t fertilized these yet either. Is it time to transplant these guys or just a lack of fertilizer causing leaves to yellow?
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I’ve been growing my tomatoes, peppers, and eggplants in my basement on a shelf. Below the shelf are my baby chicks and their heat lamps. I think all that heat has been sending the plants into hyper-drive. I now need to up pot the tomatoes again.
Your plants looks great. Well done.
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Thanks, it took me 4 years of trial and error to get here. This is the first year things look overall healthy. I attribute most of my current success to using strong grow lights, a warm growing environment (avg 68°F), slow release fertilizer and frequent watering to keep soil moisture right around “damp”. I’m surprised at how quickly the tomatoes and peppers filled out their 1 gal pots after up-potting.
That being said I still cannot start basil from seed even if my life depended on it. It just gets to the two leaf stage and then gets all crispy and dies - every year. In fact all herbs are sluggish compared to the peppers, tomatoes and cucubrits… not sure why that is.
Do you think maybe there is too much light on the basil. I have a six pack of basil growing okay right now, but kept them under the less strong LED lights I use for microgreens. Same with parsley. I’ve been lucky enough to have dill and cilantro naturalize in my yard and chives, oregano, sage, sorrell, green onion and rosemary keep coming back.
Seed starting mixes usually have little to no fertilizer, what works for my warm season crops is adding slow release fertilizer (like Osmocote) to them and then watering once or twice with a low dose of liquid fertilizer when the true leaves starts coming in. I also find it easier to direct seed them into 2x2" cells.
In regards to up-potting, you can do it any time but the best time is as soon as the root ball gets dense enough not to fall apart during the process.
Yellow leaves are usual a sign of a) under-fertilizing or b) over-fertilizing
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Maybe, but I doubt it. My volunteer basil sprouts and grows just fine, great even, on my very sunny deck planter in late spring - and my lights are nowhere near the strength of the sun.
My #1 suspicion right now is that I’m over-fertilizing them by treating them the same as all the fertilizer hungry warm season crops. Or maybe something to do with the way I water - too much / not enough.
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The cotyledons yellowing is nothing to worry about. They’re only temporary reserves to get the plant started, and they yellow and fall off once their job is done.
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I don’t think there are any ferts in your mix, although I haven’t looked into that specific ProMix. That is great for starting and what I prefer, but at this point they definitely need some fertilizer. You can use fish emulsion if you’re staying more organic or basic miracle grow or something like Master Blend if you are okay with synthetics, but either way, I would always go half strength with seedlings.
Once my seedlings have their first set of true leaves I water with a half strength fertilizer every 3 or 4 times I water. So when they are smaller, that is every 10-12 days and as they get bigger and use more water, they wind up getting the ferts more frequently.
If I have been remiss in the fertilizer (I use Master Blend which is more of a pain to mix so it is easy to get lazy about it) and my plants are getting yellowish, but have some size and are ready to pot up anyway, I like to use the 1/2 strength fertilizer to wet out the potting mix I’ll use. That way they’re getting a nice, more concentrated boost as they root into the new medium.
One other thing to be aware of is that adding straight peat moss without any buffering (like lime) can make your mix a little more acidic which I think can make it harder for the little plants to absorb the fertilizer. One thing to consider is putting some fast-acting lime (or even a tablespoon of baking soda) in the bottom of your watering can with water the day before you use it to get the PH up in the water you are watering with. That is a quicker way to bring down the ph in your potting mix. I don’t know for sure this is the case, but if they stay yellowish after fertilizing it might be worth trying.
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Thanks so much @zendog, @dimitri_7a, and @jcguarneri for all of that useful information!! You guys are great!
I try read up on the methods people use here, but I should really take notes. It would be faster for referring back.
My ProMix is kind of all purpose. It says it is ideal for seed starting, veg, herbs, flowers, and raised garden beds. That about covers it all.
Also says:
* Contains a controlled release fertilizer to feed your plants for 9 months
* Exclusive technology With mycorrhizae for healthier and beautiful flowers, herb gardens and plants
Since my mix only contains 1/4 ProMix, I would assume I will need to fertilize. I didn’t need to use any peat in my mix, but I had bought the peat before I found coir or ProMix. So it felt wasteful not to use some. 
Since ProMix also contains peat, maybe my mix is trending toward the acidic as you mention.
I will fertilize at half the rate first and see how that goes, buffering water if things still look peaked.
I haven’t used fish emulsion, is that commonly sold in lawn and garden stores? I have a little bit of basic Miracle Grow leftover from a few years ago, so I will use that up and get something else as well.
@jcguarneri, thanks for pointing out the cotyledons normally yellow and fall off. I wasn’t sure if that was the case.
Again, thanks for the help! I usually wing it with indoor seed starting, and have satisfactory results. My standards aren’t too high. I usually end up with more plants than I have room to plant out. This year I am trying to be more conscientious, so plants are healthy and strong and hopefully will have plenty to share with others that need them.
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What you are seeing is normal. Dont change anything.
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New to me method I’m trying this year:
Dense planting the seeds for germination, then I’ll separate and transplant all but the weakest to individual plug cells once they have 1 set of true leaves. No thinning required! However, l was not nearly as meticulous with counting out seeds as I normally am, so it looks like I’ll have a lot of extras to re-home.
The tomatoes all sprang right up, and the peppers are being laggards but getting there. The unlabeled patch of pepper seedlings are from a dried guajillo chile just to see if would work.
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Looks like you’re doing better than I did while in Kansas! I was always fighting the high pH of the tap water. It comes out of the tap at 9+ in MHK! My garden there was the only place that benefitted from adding sulfur to bring the pH down.
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Mhk is that high? I didn’t realize that. We have our own well. I don’t know what the pH is… We had it tested after we had it dug, and I remember thinking that everything looked good on the analysis at the time. Guess I really should test the water!
@northof53 . . . I just noticed your stinkweed post. That is hilarious! 
It should be a joke in the Farmers’ Almanac!
I found my light and hung it over my newly planted peat pots. What a difference one day made! I know I don’t have a sophisticated set up like many others, here on the forum . . . but it works! These are some tomato seeds that I ordered from Tomato Growers. Based on others’ reviews of some of the varieties I’ve never tried . . . I ordered German Johnson, Black Krim, Stump of the World, Box Car Willie, and Virginia Sweets.
I am going to put some of them in fabric pots - and some in my raised bed. I watched some of the ‘tomato videos’ on YouTube yesterday. Some were very entertaining . . . but I also learned a few interesting things that I’m going to try this year.
I did learn one Very Important element that apparently I am missing, to achieve Tomato Success!!! - So, I’ll be ordering my farmer overalls today.
Actually . . . I spent some time online this week, hunting for a really handy - but lightweight gardening ‘apron’ of some sort. I am tired of carrying a tote with me, to hold my clippers and all the other stuff that I want to have handy, when I am out in the orchard or in the garden. Any suggestions? (aside from the overalls!)
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