I can almost always get a shag to crack out nicely in 4 quarters… and this small nut does that well too… but the small nut has more ridges and valleys on the nut meat. Mockers do not crack out that well.
Shag nuts are usually a bit longer than they are wide… and all these small wide nuts were as wide or wider than they were long.
Wondering if that small wide nut might something different like a southern shag ?
I think it’s a shagbark. I’ve seen a lot of native shagbark nuts like that. I am not an expert at hickory ID.
Kernel and nut pass for simple Shagbark genetics, for me, however. Counting the leaves is the first thing to do, however. Shag’s leaves are in groups of (mainly 5’s) per (branchlet). I’ve seen a lot of 7’s on shagbark’s too… and you know I’ve seen 9’s plenty of times, too. It’s weird to grab a few branches and find 9’s and 7’s and then walk away and later return to find mostly 5’s and to have assumed you had been looking at a different species - the last time (you) were looking at tree(s). So, beware with hickories…
@Barkslip - it sure cracks like a shag… but looks quite different (shape wise) and is much smaller than any other shag nuts I have found so far.
I have a Document from Univ of TN Extension that details Hickory Trees in TN.
That is how they describe Shag (Shellbark) and Southern Shag.
Per a Map I found last week that shows the Natural Range of Shellbark Hickory… Not in my County… or any County that neighbors mine. As that description says mostly in BIG RIVER bottom areas in TN.
The description above of Shag and Southern Shag are quite similar…
Looks like both commonly have 5 leaves.
And both have similar thick husk… I do remember that small wide hickory nut having thick husk.
Actually they’re describing the nut/fruit not including the husk(s).
I see Shags up here from .5 inch to .75 inch typically. Southern shag is where ‘Grainger’ fits in. I didn’t know but had assumed the southern species had larger nuts because up here they cannot even ‘relate’ to Grainger. I’m not sure about them saying: “Southern Shag - Fruit smaller, 1 inch, thick husk.” @Fusion_power would know though.
I have collected shag bark nuts from 7-8 different shagbark trees here in my county…
None of these were really HUGE trees… 12-18" diameter trees. I hope to find some larger trees over time, perhaps larger nuts ?
The nuts all seem to average 1.5" long (tip to tip) and 1" wide.
This little short wide nut is 3/4" from tip to tip, and 7/8" wide.
A nice person on this site sent me some Shellbark nuts and Shagbark nuts from the KY state.
His shagbark nuts are same size as mine. Very little difference.
I say it’s still a shagbark and if it isn’t then it might be mockernut; I’ve not been able to release mockernut kernels nor do I know anyone else who has - as you were able to demonstrate. Those kernels look too much like shagbark, again.
The shape is wrong for mockernut, however, it is best to get a look at the tree in early summer to be sure. I would vote shagbark unless something else is indicated. For a trivia item, I found a hickory tree about 30 years ago that made very elongated nuts similar to a long pecan. It was not a hybrid. I was never quite sure what species but suspect it was mockernut based on knowing what grows in the area. The tree was cut down a year later for firewood. It did not have any significant value, just was an unusual shape for a hickory.
The Carya trees around here cross easily. and some are really hard to identify. We have Bitternut, so any cross with that is obvious by taste, but others? I’m planting Northern pecan from seed to add new genetics to the mix!
Very cool. I guess I’ll be tasting a bunch more nuts now. The shagbarks only seem to set nuts every few years, longer if it’s dry. But the bitternuts seem to have something every year. No shellbark here, and I’m unclear if others are pignut,or possibly mockernut, or maybe different hybrids. Makes me wonder how any of them breed true.