Who's Growing Improved American Persimmons? Suggestions welcome!

Which ones are the best from this group? There are some duplicates.

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Of the lesser known selections I grow 100-45 (with gratitude to Jerry Lehman) and it is as good as 100-46 although a bit later ripening. Knightsville on the other hand is probably the worst from the list. Long since I regrafted it to something else.

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@Harbin

Thank you for the insight hopefully it benefits many others reading this as well! Im sure it will! This forum tends to have many readers and only a small percentage post this information like you just did.

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Breadroll 425-17

Does anyone have experience with this variety, to give a good description?

Thanks

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I agree with that generally regarding 100-45 which made smaller fruit for me than 100-46, but nicely sweet. The first two fruits that fell early were astringent. I made the mistake of trying the first one and after some time I was getting cottom mouth, but it was so sweet that I finished it. I made the same mistake on the second one :slight_smile:

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@snowflake @Harbin @Mulleteer

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Here is a few of the american persimmons on their inventory and im impressed!





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From your observation, Hershey’s Blue is 90n or 60n ? By the way could you tell anything more about ‘Ami’ ?

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@Lech

These will be new to us just like they are to you. Maybe an email to mail@brambleberryfarm.org could answer your questions. Please let us know what you find out.

@steveb4 I’m not to the bottom of this thread yet, so forgive me if I’m repeating what someone else already said. Buzz Ferver at Perfect Circle Farm has a nursery that focuses on trees that can survive his zone 4 location. He has weeded through American persimmons that won’t survive or won’t survive without damage. The info on his nursery website might be good for you to sift through.

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@steveb4 I just listened to “The Forest Garden” podcast episode with Buzz two days ago. His selection criteria is basically 1 in 100 survival without damage. He has grown many thousands of seedlings now.

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What hurts mine here are late freezes. Seedlings that can wake up just a few days later can miss that. -30F during the winter has been less of a determining factor although this isn’t a zone 4.

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That is also a factor in Buzz’s program. Early ripening and late to wake up!

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Have you noticed that Morris Burton wakes up a little later than others? I saw someone making a recommendation of MB seedlings as a good choice for rootstock and I can’t remember if that was part of the reason they thought they would be more likely to be a good choice.

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I’m not sure how the rootstock influences the variety on top. A couple of years in a row, I had some rootstock that got zapped by late freezes in May just as they were waking up. I think we had some sort of ridiculous very hard freeze around May 12. I know the first year, I only grafted the ones that didn’t get zapped. The next year, I said screw it, cut off the zapped tops, and grafted any of the right size… with the thinking that they would push out the second attempt anyway. That worked fine too. I had so many seedlings that I didn’t keep track of which was which… and that might have been a good idea.

In another area, I directed seed holes with maybe 8 seeds per holes arranged around the perimeter of the hole. When we got late freezes that zapped some of them, either they didn’t grow as well, or I flat out culled them back to the one or two strongest ones. Of course, I might have simply been favoring males (as the stronger growers). That was probably a better way to go, but direct seeding was sort of a pain so I haven’t done that for a few years.

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These looked to good to pass up.

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: Breadroll 425-17 *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Variation: DEC Wannabe 3 *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: DEC Double-Ziptie (Row 12 5 from N) *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: DEC Goliath *C

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: Ennis Seedless *C

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: DEC King Crimson *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: F-90 Fruiting Male *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: Hershey Blue *NC

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: Valeene Queen *C

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

Scion Wood: Persimmons (American)

Variation: Meyer Seedless *C

Quantity: 1

Total: $6.00

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Some of the old threads are worth reading

Found these descriptions from this website Grafted Persimmons — Future Forest Plants listed above

American Persimmon:

  • Downingtown Center (aka Downingtown Middle) – one of the best persimmon from John Hershey’s farm, and my favorite. Late Aug-October

  • Ruby – large-fruited, late season persimmon

  • McKenzie Corner – one of the best persimmons from John Hershey’s farm. Sept-October

  • McKenzie Middle – one of the best persimmons from John Hershey’s farm. Large fruit. Ripens October-November.

  • Early Golden – the classic American persimmon selection from Indiana circa 1890.

  • Claypool C120 – namesake fruit of breeder James Claypool, of Elmo, Illinois.

  • Dollywood D128 – Popular James Claypool selection

  • Early Jewel H-118 – Very early, large fruited selection from the breeding work of James Claypool. Very productive tree.

  • H63A – One of the most popular James Claypool selections. Large fruit with excellent flavor.

  • H94A – James Claypool selection

  • J53A – James Claypool selection

  • K44 – James Claypool selection

  • K44A – James Claypool selection

  • DEC Money Maker – from the breeding work of Donald E. Compton (DEC) in southern Indiana. Excellent fruit.

Here is a video on american hold hardy improved types

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So I get a quite good description from Darren about Hershey’s Blue. It’s 99,99% true that we talk about ‘Buhrman’ and it’s 90n cause it had some seeds in the original orchard.

“It’s a very strange individual in that it has a yellow and blue skin and very flat wafer-like seeds. I assume it is a 90 chromosome simply because it has plenty of seeds…”

Next is ‘Ami’ , the mother tree is located near a shushi restaurant Ami in Bloomington IN, Darren’s friend highly recommend it. You could saw the original plant at google maps it’s probably from late 90’s.

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@Lech

Im looking forward to growing these! They sound like great varities! Are they pretty small or large persimmons? I think you will find this thread below interesting regarding those F series males that fruit.

Do male flowers produce fruit in persimmons?

Anyone have much information on G-78?

There are no information about ‘Ami’ if we talk about any characteristics.

Buhrmann/Hershey’s Blue was describes by L.Gerardi as giving medium/large fruits. To compare it with common varieties, for him EG have large fruits and Garretson medium sized.

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I use Szukis to pollinate other varieties, as it is mostly male. I decided to do this, because I read Claypool’s original writings, and the male pollen was just as important as the female in determining fruit quality. Szukis does pollinate my other persimmon trees.
John S
PDX OR

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