Why hybrid fruits and vegetables?

In order to discuss hybridizing fruit, i first want to discuss hybrid animals. The liger Liger - Wikipedia is much larger than a lion or a tiger. The obvious benefit is size unless one is after you.

The black sex link is a cross between pure breed of Barred Plymouth Rock hen and New Hampshire Red rooster or Rhode Island Red rooster

The benefit is you can sex the males from the females at an early age and sell off the males for butchering.

Finally we get to fruit and the reason i discuss this topic is the pros and cons to hybrizing plants and there are many pros and cons

" # 10 Must-Know Hybrid Fruits

Contributors: Libby Mills, MS, RDN, LDN

Published: April 23, 2019

Reviewed: March 19, 2019

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Tangor, ugli, jostaberry and pluot… these are just a few curiously named hybrid fruits found at the grocery store or farmers market. With bizarre names, hybrids might sound like weird science, but these fruits and their many cousins are more natural and familiar than you might think.

Hybrids don’t use genetically modified organism technology. Hybrids use traditional pollination that can ordinarily occur in nature. With controlled pollination, cultivars can breed new generations of fruiting plants with increasingly desirable characteristics.

Farmers benefit from hybridized fruit plants that are naturally disease resistant and hearty in heat, cold and drought — in addition to producing consistent, higher yields with predictable fruit maturation times. As a result, consumers benefit from unique, uniform fruit sizes and shapes, increased juiciness, improved taste and better nutrition.

Here are 10 hybrid fruits to add to your shopping list.

Tangor: A cross between a mandarin and an orange — the tangor may sound unfamiliar, but varieties such as murcott and temple have been hitting the produce department of local grocery stores.

Ugli : Botanically Citrus reticulata x paradisi, the “ugly” hybrid of a grapefruit, orange and tangerine, this tangelo from Jamaica reflects more sweet flavors from its tangerine ancestry rather than bitter grapefruit. Add uglis, halved or sectioned, to a salad with avocado, sweet onion, chicory and radicchio.

Jostaberry: Sweeter than its North American and European gooseberry and black currant parents, the jostaberry is a rich, almost black berry with grape, blueberry and kiwi flavors and packed with vitamin C.

Pluot: A Zaiger trademarked plum and apricot hybrid, it’s bred for smooth skin and super juicy, sweet flesh.

Baby Kiwi : The lineage of the baby kiwi traces back to fuzzy kiwifruit, also known as the Chinese gooseberry. With smooth skin that doesn’t need to be peeled, the typically berry-sized baby kiwi can vary in size, shape, color and taste between producers.

Tayberry : A cross between a red raspberry and blackberry, the tayberry looks like an elongated raspberry with tart flavor.

Limequat : This ripe key lime and kumquat hybrid resembles a miniature oval orange with greenish-yellow skin. In season from mid-fall to winter, limequats — with their tart key lime flavor— can be eaten whole, in jams or accompanying fish or chicken.

Pineberry: A novel cross between white strawberries from Southern Europe and cultivated red strawberries produce this pineapple-flavored berry, typically available early May through June.

Orangelo: This hybrid, believed to be of Puerto Rican origin, is a cross between a grapefruit and an orange, and is sweeter and more vivid than its grapefruit parent, however, eaten in much the same way."

https://www.farmprogress.com/corn/hybrid-seed-corn-basics

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Hybrid seed corn basics

Check out this refresher on how two inbreds produce high-yielding corn with hybrid vigor.

January 10, 2022

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REMOVING STRAY PLANTS: A person with a bean hook in hand walks through a field of seed corn in Bartholomew County, Ind., looking for rogues to cut out so they don’t contaminate the field. JACOB KESSENS

Anyone driving in Indiana sees acres of corn every summer. However, few outside agriculture realize that most of the corn is not corn that will be planted again the following year.

In fact, some within agriculture may not realize all the inputs that go into creating hybrid seed corn.

Helping consumers understand how their food is produced is becoming increasingly important. Here’s a refresher about the basics of producing hybrid seed:

What is hybrid seed corn? Plant breeders say hybrid seed corn is the offspring of two pure genetic lines of corn, also known as inbred parents. The notion of corn having offspring and talk of genetic lines may seem odd. But this is something that researchers have put significant time and effort into over the last century.

Before hybrid seed corn, farmers would keep ears of corn that looked the best so they could use them to plant the next spring, according to Bob Nielsen, Extension corn specialist at Purdue University. He trained as a corn breeder before entering Extension.

“Such selection is a form of plant breeding that slowly resulted in better varieties over time, but it was an inefficient strategy to improve genetics,” Nielsen says.

What is hybrid vigor? Researchers discovered that if you purposefully self-pollinated plants, saved the seed from that pollination and repeated the process for many years, the result was a pure genetic strain of corn, which they labeled as an inbred, Nielsen explains.

Depending on the variety you started with, you could create different pure genetic strains of corn.

These early plant breeders discovered that hybrid plants that grew from the seed produced by cross-pollinating two inbreds were not only stronger and yielded more grain than the pure inbred lines, but they were also better yielding than most open-pollinated varieties. Beginning in the late 1930s, American farmers began to quickly adopt this new and improved genetic technology.

What is detasseling? Growing hybrid seed corn starts with female rows and male rows. The female rows are planted in between pollinating male rows. If the corn is fertile, meaning that it can pollinate, it must be detasseled to prevent self-pollinating. The goal is for the “male” inbred parent line to be the only source of pollen in a field of seed corn.

Only seed from the female parent is harvested to be sold as seed corn. Male rows are either destroyed after pollination is finished or are harvested separately, Nielsen says.

What is rogueing? Rogueing is different from detasseling. It refers to removal of “off types” or volunteer corn from the previous year’s production in the seed field before pollen begins to drop from male rows. The most common visible criteria used to rogue seed fields is simply searching for and removing plants that are clearly taller or otherwise look much different from the inbred parent plants. Those are likely stray hybrid plants that could contaminate the pollination process.

Why is hybrid seed corn important? Without these advancements in seed genetics, farmers would not have plants with stronger yields and overall vitality. Plant breeders are continually creating hybrids that are more resistant to drought, yield higher and take less time to mature.

Kessens is a senior in agricultural communications at Purdue University."

There are many reasons to hybridize thingss like corn, why would i not do that might be the question

There is something known as hybrid vigor which is to say when species cross frequently the offspring are stronger or more adaptive than either. A coywolf is one such example . There are grizzly and polar bears crossing now. Imagine a large polar bear that can handle more heat.

Things are evolving in front of our eyes

The reason i bring up the liger is because certain combinations of hybrid fruits are much larger as a result of the cross. Some are better tasting and heavier producing like the douglas pear. It breaks branches nearly every year. We can see why superior nutrition and selective breeding did for the catss of Australia. The offspring of wolf river will like the black sex link give an expeected result. The way we find out is we must make the crosses and that takes time and patience.

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I have an issue with Coywolves here at my house. Bigger and braver than normal coyotes

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Basically everything is to some degree hybridized, regardless of if we call it a hybrid.

The article about hybrid fruit mentioned tangors as hybrids. That’s true, they’re a hybrid between an orange and a mandarin. But oranges themselves are hybrids between mandarins and pumeloes.

Ever had a Meyer lemon? It’s a hybrid of a mandarin and a true lemon. But true lemon are hybrids of citrons and sour oranges. And sour oranges themselves are hybrids of mandarins and pumeloes. And even then, it’s not so simple, because most of these hybridizations were many generations apart, and involved some degree of backcrossing, so the genetics are very muddled and very mixed.

Even the purest, most heirloom apple you’ll ever get your hands on, something like Ananas Reinette which is at least 500 years old, is also a hybrid. All apple cultivars are hybrids and descendants of hybrids.

The famous coast redwoods of California are thought to have been the result of a hybridization between giant sequoia and a now extinct metasequoia. And of course humans have a very mixed ancestry as well, with ingression from multiple other archaic humans. The same sort of thing is true for pretty much any and every species. Look at the genome close enough, and you’ll find ingression from some closely related species.

Sure, you can always restrict the definition of hybrid to “only the first generation or so,” or, “only intentional crosses,” and there may be valid reasons for doing so, but at the end of the day, pretty much everything out there is a hybrid to some extent or other–especially the things we grow.

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I couldn’t fully agree about the chicken part :smiley:

Sexing is possible even if you made a cross within the same breed or inbreeded lines with different sex-linked traits for example golden rooster x silver hen (Hamburg, Appenzeller Spitzhauben have both color standards). The benefits of hybridization in chickens are increased egg and meat production.

I belive all species have an hybridization even in some part of their history. However, I believe that creating complex hybrids does not always make logical sense. What I mean here are cultivated forms such as raspberries, blackberries and japanese plums. Currently, most varieties of these plants are hybrids of various compositions, often intercontinental. For me, it would make more sense to maintain separate forms, e.g. European and American raspberries, which have over 95% of the genes of a given taxon (or other wild forms occurring in the area of origin) from the parent plant, and the rest may be genes borrowed through introgression.

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Besides maintaining genetic material for future breeding efforts, why keep things separate if the hybrids have superior qualities? I’ve had straight P. salicina plums in Asia, and the hybridized mutts we grow in the US are much, much tastier.

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I’ll second that.

Most of the time, we’re best served with a combination of genes. @Lech since you mentioned plums, I’ll use that as an example. Here in eastern NC, we have a native plum, the Chickasaw plum. It’s resistant to most diseases in the area and handles late frosts really well. However, the fruits are small, usually sour, and the skin is often astringent. They are ok, but not great. There are a few improved Chickasaw plums, it looks like those improved varieties are actually hybrids with Japanese plum that backcrossed with Chickasaw. Japanese plum of course has much larger, sweeter, better tasting fruit, and the tree itself is much larger and doesn’t sucker and form thickets like Chickasaw plum.

Japanese plum, pure Japanese plum, is a much better fruit and fruit tree. But good luck keeping one alive here in eastern NC without turning your yard into a chemical weapons hazard site. It’s only possible to get low-spray (not no spray, just low-spray) good quality plums here with hybrids between Japanese and Chickasaw plums.

And, to be honest, even more complex hybrids would be better. Early ripening is a useful quality, in part for season extension but also in a big part because of SWD. Chickasaw plums and their hybrids ripen in early summer, and in many parts of the south that’s already SWD season. Plum hybrids with apricot and cherry, on the other hand, often ripen very early, even while it’s still spring. Working in some aprium genetics into Chickasaw hybrids could lead to a fruit that’s still disease resistant like a Chickasaw, early enough to escape SWD, and also really, really tasty.

But really there’s even more. The holy grail is something that resists plum curculio. Native Chickasaw plum is not resistant, and so even pure native Chickasaw has to be sprayed if you want clean fruit that don’t have maggots in them. That’s not great. I’ve seen suggestions, however, that perhaps certain varieties of hog plum, a plum native more to the deep South and Texas, might have resistance, but hot plum are usually bitter, nasty little things. Which might explain the curculio resistance (if they actually are resistant). So, ideally, for a good tasting no-spray plum in the South, you’re looking at a very complex hybrid of hog plum, Chickasaw plum, Japanese plum, and apricot. Theoretically anyway, since no one has ever made such a hybrid and there’s no telling if it’s even possible or if such a hybrid would be able to have all the many, many traits you’d want.

Granted, you might could just try breeding Chickasaw plum alone, and wait for random mutations to give you the traits you wanted. But such a project would take hundreds if not thousands of years. I ain’t planning on living that long.

It’s also useful to note that genetics within a continent can be more diverse than between continents. Here where I live, there are two species of wild cherry. There’s black cherry, a tall forest tree with deciduous leaves and fruit that ripens in late spring, and there’s Carolina laurel cherry, a medium sized evergreen with fruit that ripens in late winter. Black cherry is closely related to a few other North American species and to a few species of bird cherries in Europe and Asia. Carolina laurel cherry, despite growing in the exact same place, isn’t even in the same section. It’s closest relatives are some subtropical and tropical cherries in North, Central, and South America, Asia, and Africa. Or take Alabama supplejack, a vine in the buckthorn family. We have several species of buckthorn here in NC, but Alabama supplejack isn’t closely related to any of them, its closest relatives are native to China, Nepal, and freaking Madagascar. Similarly, you have tulip poplar here in the eastern US, which is in the magnolia family even though it is a tall, deciduous timber tree. And native to much of the same region we also have cucumber tree, a true magnolia that clearly shows how tulip poplar evolved from classic magnolias. Honestly, cucumber tree looks like it was either the accessor of tulip popular or descended from the same common ancestor, since it really does look like something perfectly halfway between tulip poplar and more typical magnolias. And yet, what is the closest relative of tulip popular? Chinese tulip poplar.

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Thank you for that, I think that I finally have a correct identification of a large group of unfamiliar vines which I discovered growing on a property nearly two decades ago. I had never observed anything like them before or since, but I recall the way that they grew and supplejack looks to be correct.

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That’s awesome! I’ve never actually seen supplejack myself, or at least never seen it and recognized it.

What’s really interesting is the African species (which sometimes gets split off into its own genus) is actually a tree that produces nice edible fruits that are supposed to be date-like. It also has a crazy vibrant color wood that’s extremely hard and dense–it’s one of those tropical hardwoods that sinks in water.

It’s sometimes sold by specialty lumber supplies, but I’ve never seen it in person when visiting any of the hardwood stores in my region. It’s also not cheap

$50-100, sometimes up to $300 per pound?!?!

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Several years ago my father in-law had a cane made from pink ivory. Very beautiful wood

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