Winter Honeysuckle

A while back I got intrigued by this heart loquat I saw advertised on aliexpress

I knew it was miss labeled as many thing are on aliexpress but I had know if it was edible and what it was called. I think it took me at least 3 months of before figured out it was Winter Honeysuckle. I was immediately heartbroken because all honeysuckles are toxic except caerulea.

I started digging again and I found sources that indicate Fragrantissima is indeed not toxic.

@Chills or anyone have you ever eaten the fruit of your Winter Honeysuckle?

http://crescentbloom.com/Plants/Specimen/LO/Lonicera%20fragrantissima.htm

I also found another species on the edible list Lonicera angustifolia

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Lonicera+angustifolia

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I’ve read the same thing you have, that they are not edible, so I have not tried them…

Maybe next year I’ll try one (and spit it if it tastes funky)

Scot. (Who has been away too long)

I so badly what to know if its poison or not. How does one ever go about getting something like that tested.

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I would love to know the same thing. I reached out to several universities about the pawpaw acetogenin thing, and they advised they don’t provide any testing for that and couldn’t advise of where I could get samples tested, I wonder if there is some “general” lab that would provide sample testing for specific types of toxins?

I admit the heart shaped double embroys are cute and if they wont kill me I want to grow them with my honeyberries.


Is Honeysuckle Poisonious? (sfgate.com)

I’m an avid mushroom hunter and one test you perform with possible edible boletes is a nibble and spit test. I tried that with these berries and they sort of reminded me of kousa dogwood. Sweet but with not a lot of other flavor. This was a couple of years ago, but I am going to try grafting honeyberries onto them as they’re much more heat stable here in 7b.

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I want to plant one with my honeyberries. possibly cross pollination but I just wanted the contrast and the double berries that sometimes look like hearts.

@lordkiwi the problem with figuring out whether something is poisonous is you have to know what to test for. You can test for just about anything if you know to look for it, it’s the stuff you don’t think to test for that’s the issue. There might be an unknown toxin, or a toxin that’s not known to be in the plant, that you would miss in the tests. And, as @bopcrane found, it can be difficult to find a lab that will run the test, especially for laypersons such as ourselves. That being said, people have made enough stupid mistakes that we know most of the plants that are truly dangerous, and there are ways to cautiously test new foods for safety. However, that’s best left to situations where you don’t really have any other options.

I find it amusing that enough people ask this question that I am finding info a year later.

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Speaking of, did you ever find a clear answer? i found some on a trail and I’m also getting some conflicting answers.

Never did. I bought one from Greenwood Nursery last year. But i lost it imediatly to wild weather.
I am waiting on my replacement this year to try again. Maybe we can collect enough and fund a toxicoloy report sometime in the future.
Winter Honeysuckle Lonicera fragrantissima | Greenwood Nursery

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I did sample both standishii and fragrantissima, even their hybrid.
About the first berry of spring.
One species always had more berries than the other. When fully ripe they were pleasantly sweet but a lingering bitter aftertaste.

While this does not show the species you mention,
It is the best database for plant chemistry that I know of.
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https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/plants/show/1195?qlookup=Honeysuckle&offset=0&max=20&et=

Well this is weird I got a Forum email from Zoe @zplant with a tip but they no longer appear to be a user.

Google “苦糖果”. It’s said to be sweet but has a hint of bitterness. Maybe it should be bred and improved to be “heartberries.”

What kind of plant is bitter candy? (baidu.com)

Findings. Chinese the fruit translates to Bitter Candy, and it also called Croch berry,

Bitter candy is the official middle name, and this name comes from the “Names of the Plants of the Rahan Seeds”; The scientific name is recorded in some books as Lonicera standishii Carr., and in the previous Flora of China, it is recorded as L. fragrantissima Lindl.et Paxt.subsp.standishii (Carr)Hsu etH.J.Wang; In the latest “Flora of China”, it was revised to L. fragrantissima var. lancifolia (Rehder) Q.E. yang; In plant taxonomy, it belongs to the honeysuckle family, a variety of honeysuckle tulip.

First, the ripe fruit of bitter candy is edible. Its fruit belongs to the berry category, the sugar is sufficient, the juice is sweet and red, it has always been the wild fruit that quenches the thirst and hunger of people in the production area, can be eaten raw, and can also be processed to make juice, fruit wine, beverages and other foods.

Second, bitter candy has a high ornamental value. Its flowers are “conjoined babies”, the fruit is conjoined double rods, and the pedicle is combined, the shape is unique, the ornamental value is still high, its flowering period is early, can be planted in the square, lawn, courtyard ornamental; Its stump is an excellent material for making bonsai.

Thirdly, bitter candy has medicinal properties. Its young branches and leaves are called “big honeysuckle” in traditional Chinese medicine, which is sweet in taste, cold in nature, and has the effects of dispelling wind and dampness, clearing heat and relieving pain; The fruit has the effect of clearing heat, generating jin and quenching thirst; The fresh leaves of bitter candy contain 0.68% chlorogenic acid, which is a spectral antibacterial drug resource.

A “bitter candy” that looks like a crotch but tastes very sweet!?| Fruit Shell Technology is interesting (guokr.com)

When it comes to bitter candy, we have to talk about Lonicera fragrantissima, which is a small shrub of the genus Lonicera in the honeysuckle family, and the epithet means “fragrant”, and bitter candy is a subspecies of it, the scientific name is Lonicera fragrantissima subsp. standishii. The leaves of bitter candy are relatively narrow and long, and the petioles often have coarse hairs, while the leaves of tulip honeysuckle are more oval and the petioles are smooth, but other than that, there is not so much difference between the two, at least the flowers and fruits are extremely similar, if you are not a botanist, you really can’t tell them at a glance.

This wild fruit on the mountain, known as “bitter candy”, has a calcium content 24 times that of apples, so don’t miss the nutrition of fruits (sohu.com)

L. fragrantissima on the left L. caerulea right

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I asume by the way they are munching down. Winter Honeysuckle are safe.

Survived the year at least

I have a large lonicera fragrantissima (winter blooming honeysuckle) and it blooms heavily but I have never gotten fruit. So these are not self-pollenating in my experience.

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Got sucker’s or divisions? Do you have have honey berries? Can I have a cutting or division? I’d rather not prove self incompatability. Mine came from greenwood nursery.