Adara (Puente) Plum - Fruit tree, rootstock & interstem

[danchappell]

Give it a shot and let us know either way!

[Drew51]

The article I linked showed the wood was compatible with many plums, and even peaches, but it seemed hit and miss with peaches. I got some wood from Dan and I’m going to put a couple pieces on cherry as a source to harvest more in the future. But I want it to put Euro plum on Asian plum trees. So I will graft some pieces on Asian plum. If they don’t take I have the cherry grafts to try other trees. I will eventually try all my peach and plum trees and see if I can get takes. Any takes I will graft Euro plums there. I would like to grow some gages and French desert plums.

I see it i compatible with Santa Rosa So I will put a piece on that tree to make sure I have a take somewhere!

@ramv

Most of the literature talks about converting Plum to Cherry. I am wondering if it is possible to go the other way.

If it can go one way it can go the other way too. It’s either compatible or it’s not. Doesn’t really matter which way you’re going. Not all plums or even all cherries are compatible. So one must experiment and find which trees will work. I have White Gold and they did not test that tree, so it could be incompatible with Adara. I want to use the cherry as a host for Adara to harvest more Adara in the future. I have multiple other cherries on it, so no plans to convert the tree.

[carot]

Hello Drew,

are you aware of this very interesting discussion some years ago?

Asian / European plum grafting compatibility

I’ve done some minor studying and it seems Asian plums will not graft to European plums, but “many” euros will be compatible with Asian varieties. Is this right? The word “many” in the above sentence is quoted because a chart I found online says just that "many’. Question is, does anyone know of a reasonably comprehensive list of Euro varieties that are indeed compatible with Asian plum? Furthermore, does the type of Asian plum have an impact on compatibility. Logic tells me it would, but I do…

Reading all the experiences with grafts of E.plum onto A.plum and vica versa you might not even need an interstem. There were some reports about incompatibilities but they seem to be exceptions.

[Drew51]

@carot

are you aware of this very interesting discussion some years ago?

Yes, I tried it with scion of interest and it didn’t work. It took and grew, then failed to thrive. I should though do more experiments as you say I might need it in all circumstances. That would save a year too… I want an option of placing it on say a peach tree. I have more peach trees than plum.
What are the rootstocks used with Euro plums? I have Myro and Marianna I think? If they ever sucker, I was thinking maybe I could use as a rootstock for Euros too?

[Barkslip]

Hi Drew I wrote this about a year ago and addresses a lot of questions. It needed some editing to get it all squared away but it’s correct:

That One Plum Tree

Hi Steve, Before I go any further, let’s add that myrobalan seedling “cherry plum” has historical compatibility to: Asian plum, Euro plum, & all hybrid stone fruits: the pluots, aprium, and pluerry should be no exception. Myro 29C has excellent historical compatibility for all stone fruits with the exception of peach/nectarine and cherry. Is myro 29C better than myro seedling = likely the answer is yes. So let’s begin with Toka which is a hybrid of Prunus salicina (Japanese/Asian plum) & Pr…

As far as marianna goes, I’m no expert but from what I remember reading, this appears correct:

Dax

[Drew51]

Thanks for the info!

[carot]

@Drew51

What are the rootstocks used with Euro plums?

Here the standard still is St. Julien A. It has very good compatibility to all E.plums and is somewhat dwarfing (70% vigor vs. seedling). It is used also for peaches and apricots. But there are more and more voices that suspect problems when using it for peaches and apricots. With peaches and apricots winter tree losses are higher on St. Julien A than peaches and apricots on peach seedling or apricot seedling. Therefore I dont use plum rootstock anymore for my peaches and apricots. Plus St. Julien A is somewhat demanding in regards of the soil quality. It doesn’t like sandy and dry soils.

Another St. Julien plum for rootstock is St. Julien GF 655/2. That one is suckering and I wouldn’t choose it over St. Julien A.

In newer field tests another E.plum rootstock proofed to be superior to St. Julien A in regards of survivability. Its called Wangenheim (propagated by seed) or WaVit (propagated by tissue culture). Especially WaVit has very good compatibility to all E.plum and even to apricot. Its only drawback might be it even is a little more dwarfing than St. Julien A.

Myro is another good rootstock for E.plums with high vigor. It has compatibility issues with some varieties of E.plums (eg. many Gages) and with some varieties of apricot. There are selections of Myro with better compatibility, Myro 29C might be one of them. I have no experience with it.

Brompton is another plum rootstock (prunus domestica) for E.plums and peaches with high vigor.

An old-timers choice for E.plums are seedlings of Green Gage. This rootstock has the vigor of a seedling but is trouble free as far as I know.

And then there are prunus tomentosa. They can be propagated from seed and are very much dwarfing. There are hybrids from prunus tomentosa as a more recent rootstock for E.plum, eg. Weito Klon 226. I don’t know much about them. I sowed some to test them as a rootstock.

[nickkasko]

Are there any advantages of using the Adara interstem over the zee stem when grafting cherry to plum other than the patent of Adara being expired?

I’m just curious which would be better for long term compatibility.

[danchappell]

I have never seen any research on this question. The two cultivars are closely related. Z-Stem will be off patent in a couple years. US20020138884P1 - Select myrobalan tree 'RI-1' - Google Patents

[iamjungle]

Hi Dan, do you still sell adara interstem next spring? please reply, thank you.

[pennsy]

Hi Dan,

I am in Pennsylvania could you spare some Adara scion for the spring of 2020.

Thank You
Dano

[pennsy]

Hi Dan,
Do you have any Adara scion available for 2020?

Dan

[danchappell]

I’ll check the orchard this week, I may have a few pieces.

[Duereg]

Would love to know if you found any. Am in the Bay area, would be happy to come out to you to pick them up.

@danchappell

[Jose]

Hi, I live in Spain and I have adara. First of all say that not only does it go well on clay soil, but also on sandy soil like mine and that it helps maintain Phytophtora (neck fungus).

The Mariland is adara over Mariana, and there is also another bridge that is GXN GArnnen and Adara.

About Adara I have grafted cherry trees (care that bicolor cherries do not usually work).

I also have peaches, nectarine, pluots, Japanese plums,.

greetings and sorry for the translation

[Jkvaaben]

Hello @danchappell

I live in Denmarl and would like to buy some Adara scions if it possible?

My mail is:
Jkvaaben@gmail.com

[danchappell]

Illegal for me to ship to Europe and they would probably be seized or irradiated and killed at customs unless they were smuggled. Perhaps you could make a trip to Spain and get some Adara or Monropos there. Good luck.

[Jose]

hi
i can send you…

[CaliforniaFruitNut]

Hey Dan! Thanks for sharing this information. I live in California also, I have a cherry tree I’d like to graft a peach onto and was thinking I could use Adara as an intermediary between the two. Is there a chance I could get some sent, I’d be more than happy to reimburse you thru paypal Thank you!

[Jose]

Hello, if you want I have material, the only thing is that I am from Spain …
I could try to send it to you, the only thing is that I do not take money, if you have some interesting material fine, if not, then I try to send it anyway
Cheers