Apple varieties for no-spray out East

Hello! This is my first post so hopefully in doing this right haha. I am in SW VA, 2k elevation and working on planting my backyard apple orchard. I’ve been doing my homework, specifically looking for disease resistance and good fresh eating qualities, and below is a list of all the apples I plan to grow. Can anyone give any feedback on pros/cons, concerns or praises for any of these varieties, or suggestions for fool-proof apples for my area? Thanks:

Black Limbertwig
Akane
Clark’s Crab
Monty’s Surprise
Liberty
Florina
Grimes Golden
VA Beauty
Spartan
Sundance
Red Rebel
Triumph
Galarina
Enterprise
VA Winesap
William’s Pride
Candy Crab
Royal Limbertwig
Winecrsip
Goldrush (i know it has big CAR problems)
Aunt Rachel
Mary Reid
Devonshire Crimson Queen
Bonkers
Joseph
King David
Chestnut Crab
Black Oxford
RubyRush
Arkansas Black
Kerr Crab
Rusty’s Favorite
Trailman Crab
Yates

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I live in Brownsburg VA, halfway between Staunton and Lexington 6b. I’m just shy of 1400 feet. The limbertwigs and summer banana have been my clearest and most flavorful apples. Liberty did fine but I was not impressed by the taste.

Golden Delicious sport Razor had an outstanding taste but struggled on the disease side. Arkansas black continue to grow to amazing sizes and color, but were hit by pc early on. One strike per apple. To their credit, not a single one dropped.

VA Beauty did well. Medium apples, sweet tart taste. First Hubbardston non such this year and taste was amazing, complex, clear apples.

I have many others you list as grafts but no fruit yet. Century farms is my favorite go to for apple trees, reasonable prices, careful shipping, wide variety of southern heirlooms. MM111 and Bud9.
https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/

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Thanks for the reply - I am def interested in the Summer Banana variety…do you spray your trees? I am moving to Christiansburg, so I will actually be about 2k elevation but Im sure disease pressure is basically identical to you.

I do some sprays but mostly kaolin Clay. The russets have done amazingly well and super good taste. Here’s a pic of some apples I picked. The yellow gold is summer banana. The rusetted yellow is Golden Delicious probably sport “razor”. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dcPuFtKyr6C8BbAK9

I added a bit more to my post after you saw it. Best of luck to you!!

Come visit. I’m full of lessons on what not to do that I did.

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Of my limited selection the Chestnut Crabapple does best.

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@Rosdonald which Russets are you growing? Thanks for the pics, they look amazing!

I tried many of those based on recommendations from David Vernon at my 7B climate around 700 feet elevation.

None were “foolproof” for me but Old Fashion Winesap which is not on your list produced apples for several years with zero spray. Any variety with a Golden Delicious parent like Goldrush is known to suffer from bitter rot problems in wet years. I have not seen any solid research to support the idea that Grimes was a parent for GD but if its true the rot problem may extend to Grimes. I had bad rot on my Grimes during the years we tested no spray. Summer Banana and Bevans Favorite had less rot than Grimes.

Your higher elevation should help a lot.

Anybody at Virginia Tech looking at dependable Apples for the backyard grower in your area?

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@blueberrythrill thanks for comment. Do you spray now? I will def have to look into what Tech may know, nice to have those guys in my backyard. Would you choose Summer Banana over Grimes?

I don’t have a lot that have fruited but every one has outstanding taste. I have lots grafted. Summer banana, golden Delicious razor, ashmeads so far.

Grafted I have egremont, st Edwards, Windham, ribston, washed,knobbed, hunt,rosemary, pumpkin,Hudson golden gem, d arcy spice, pitmaster pineapple, Roxbury, others whose name escapes me.

My Grimes has not yet fruited so hard to say

https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstream/handle/10919/55296/422-023.pdf

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Excellent idea checking out VA tech resources. They own a farm near raphine McCormick Farm which apparently used to have a wonderful orchard but was removed. Now it is used for sheep testing, Cyrus McCormick tribute, cider making, early log cabins. Nice place. I have one apple rescued from there by Lee Calhoun Flat Fall Cheese.

My Bevan’s favorite had already finished fruiting and were picked before rot moved in. My earliest apple.

We spray, but much less than recommended on our small 1 acre PYO apple orchard. Lost about 1/2 of what we grew last year to rot. Hoping to find the “sweet spot” that will produce imperfect but sellable apples in an area with very few apple orchards . We know it’s going to require more spray but we refuse to spray 4 times a month.

My Grimes on B9 produced very small trees and the Summer Banana trees were bigger so I would choose Summer Banana over Grimes for my situation. Not sure which I would choose if the trees were the same size.

May be worth checking out PYO Apple orchards in your area and see what varieties they find easy to grow.

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You have a very nice list.
Arkansas Black and Liberty are certainly good options for ‘no spray’ orchards.
Redfield seems to attract the plum curculio here…and no harm to Arkansas Black.

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How do you like the Summer Banana apple?

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Honestly one of my favorites. The apple itself had a rusetted feel to it. Large and essentially clear of pests. Long hanging. Large in size.

It’s the yellow one in the front. Complex taste but primarily sweet. Firm flesh. Skin just right for fresh eating. About 35 apples on a 10 foot semi dwarf tree.

What’s not to love!

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The best no-spray apple to grow is a jujube. They taste a lot like apples (pit instead of a core), get about 2X the brix of apples and don’t need any spray. You can lose some to cracking (just pick them right after the rain and they are good), but almost 0 loss to insects. Maybe a few to wasps if they crack. And about 1% get a random bite taken out of them (which generally heal and can be eaten). Honey Jar, Black Sea, and Sugar Cane are common varieties which are crisp & crunchy with some juice to them. Many of the other varieties are either for drying or eaten by people who are less picky than me.

If you are stuck on apples (I’ve been gradually shifting from apples to jujubes for several years), then:
Goldrush- great late season flavor, though mine defoliated early (like a lot of my apples) due to the large amount of rain this summer

Bonkers- my father is (was?) growing this one. He wasn’t happy with it, but I’ll need to check with him to see why. I think it had to do with the flavor/quality.

William’s Pride- I have this one and am planning to get rid of it. It’s OK, as summer apples go. But the only summer apple that I actually like eating (as opposed to tolerate) is Zestar. I know at one point in the past Sansa wasn’t bad either, but this year was worthless, either from me not thinning enough, or all the rain.

Enterprise- I grew it briefly years ago. The skin is too thick and the flavor too mild. Maybe thick skin would help it be a bit more durable, but you should see if you can find somewhere to try it first, as there isn’t much point in growing fruit you don’t like.

Liberty- also didn’t qualify as something I wanted to eat. Too much like a Mac.

Florina- I need to give it another try, as I haven’t eaten any for a few years (I have a branch of it, but sometimes animals, etc get it). Ithink it was a bit mild, but reasonably sweet and crunchy/juicy late apple. Not my favorite, but not bad.

Akane- Very flavorful apple that straddles late summer and early fall. Lots of rot problems with it.

Black Limbertwig- I have 3 limbertwigs grafted on the William’s pride, so I’m not sure which one I’ve been eating (Could also be Kentucky or Meyers Royal). But I do like it enough that I’m considering taking wood from it and grafting it if/when I take out the William’s Pride. Medium/small, highly flavored apples. On the dry side (not really dry, but not juicy), hard and crunchy. I just picked the first one of the season and it was 16-18 brix. I should try to figure out which one it is…

Sundance- Goldrush-lite. Productive of big crisp, crunchy fruit. I haven’t been thinning mine enough, so I end up with big, crunchy low brix fruit. But early on I remember getting some decent fruit from it that was like a slightly lower brix version of Goldrush. Not quite as over-the-top in flavor.

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