Osage and Natchez would be my assumptions also, I got them from Lowes. I thought one was Kiowa but everything I see on the site says they have thorns
I’ve seen home depot and lowes sell everything from twilight, black satin, arapaho, triple crown, chester, ebony king, and sweetie pie. Never seen my local ones sell natchez or osage or kiowa, but I’ve only been looking in the Dallas area and only for the past couple of years
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I got my two Osage plants from Tractor Supply in Corydon, Indiana late last spring. They seem to have grown well and it looks like the floracanes survived winter, which was fairly mild for this area, with only a couple of nights reaching -1 or -2 degrees. I got a few berries last summer and they seemed more tart than sweet. But they were new plants, planted late in the spring, so I hope the berries are a bit sweeter this year. It looks like I should get a fair amount of berries this year.
Sandra
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I’ll be honest, knowing the right time to pick blackberries was a bit of a learning curve. With raspberries they can be picked when all the drupelets have reached full color and they taste fine. Blackberries on the other hand may look ready for picking when they are completely black and have all uniform drupelet size, but they often have a tart flavor. I have found if you wait another day or two when some of the drupelets grow larger than the others, the flavor of the blackberry improves significantly.
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Look for them to lose some glossiness after they change color
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I probably did pick those Osage berries a bit too soon as I was so eager to try them and there were only a couple. I was kinda terrified something would nab them before I could taste them. 
. I will definitely remember to let the blackberries go a bit longer after turning black and to look for loss of glossiness. Good tips.
Sandra
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Just went out to look at my blackberries and raspberries so I could get my chonky, lazy American Bully I just adopted to walk a little. She likes sniffing the Berry Tone fertilizer I just put out. Anyway, I noticed that my Mammoth Red raspberry I got from Gurney’s last spring is starting to leaf out (6B, southern Indiana) and is putting up suckers up to 2 feet away from the crown. There are already 5-6 suckers showing near 1 plant and none near the other plant. But it seems Mammoth Red may be quite a suckerer if that is even a word.
Interestingly, I noticed that Mammoth Red is not even in the catalog they sent for spring 2025. So, I don’t know if they are no longer selling it, or only have it online. Makes me wonder why. Hope it isn’t a dud!
Its readily available.
‘suckering’ far from the plant is very possible and likely with most red rasps… it is also more prevalent with voles… as they love raspberry roots and each one that they sever can create a new plant.
I found a red rasp yesterday that the voles ate very single root and then gnawed the crown down to the cane…
Berry tone has feather meal and chicken poop… so of course critters will be interested it.
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Glad to know that Mammoth Red is still available. I did not know that information about voles eating roots and causing the disconnected root to sprout. Very interesting. I don’t know if I have many voles here or not. I have never seen one, nor have my cats brought me any, and have not noticed damage to the roots of anything, but who knows?
Regarding my dog loving the smell of the Berry Tone, the feathers and chicken poop would certainly explain that.
I am very excited to taste the Mammoth Red berries this year. I only had one last year, but I liked it and it was pretty big.
Sandra
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I have 4 Addison Raspberry plants if anyone is interested (not sure if OGW will ever have these back in stock). I also have 3 maybe 4 Ohio’s Treasure Black Raspberry plants. PM me please dont post on here.
These are extras that i bought… i did not propagate them.
(i have these in hand… not from a group order or anything).
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I did miss the group payment/send out of the group order this year? 
Thank you! I missed that post
Thanks for the input on varieties!
If anyone has any Anne yellow + Royalty purple divisions/suckers they’d trade for, send me a PM, otherwise I might order some before spring comes.
Osage isnt talked about enough… good early fruiting berry. First week of May for this person in East TX. 3 year old plants.
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The blackberries in the video look more elongated than what I have seen on my own plant. There appears to be some variation in the shape.
I love mine. They are the only mature cane berries I have, and they were absolutely delicious. They are loaded with flowers and fruit this year and they are very big. Mine started getting ripe in mid-April last year, we are on track for the same time frame.
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personally I’m convinced that a lot of plants are just mislabeled and at least 25% of blackberry or raspberry plants that people have aren’t the variety they think it is
I have been astonished at the amount of mislabeling of blackberry/raspberry plants from all different nurseries - and I myself would never have known if I hadn’t bought that same variety from multiple sources, or discussed the varieties here on this thread
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Yeah, I ran into this last year with a Fall Gold bare root plant from a retail store actually being an unknown yellow raspberry.
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hmm… you might be onto something. I looked into the guys youtube page… and found where ‘Osage’ was in flower… and they arent pink.
The only one that i can think of that would bloom that early (late March) would be Natchez or Arapaho…with the heavy production he has i think it could be Natchez.
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