Edible landscaping is a good nursery but I agree that OGW has much better service.
I got some really tiny trees from EL and thought they died over winter. Thankfully they’ve survived but haven’t grown much at all.
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Do you remember what sort of winter temps ended up killing it? I’m assuming the cold got it where you’re at.
It might have been the cold. I think it got down to -12 that year and it was a small tree. But it could have been fluctuating spring temperatures. Or it could have been that the rootstock wasn’t cold hardy but the graft was. I should probably just graft it again on a more established tree to see what happens.
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I notice that Chinebuli grows very slowly for me. Mine is maybe 3 feet tall. The tree, and I graft I made off of it seem to only have 1 flush of spring growth while others started a 2nd flush a few weeks ago.
Hi Christine,
Can you tell us how your Cardinal persimmon has performed since this posting?
Dennis
Kent, Wa
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It got nipped by deer about 2 months ago (Grrr) and regrew from its tip, which is now only 4" long. The growth that got nipped was also only a few inches long. Just transplanted it yesterday to a sunnier spot. When I dug it up out of a planter with loose rich friable soil, the roots had barely emerged from its 1 gallon original root ball. Not very promising.
My Saijo is loaded with fruit but still a race against the cooler temps here. I know it’s crazy but I covered it with 4 mil plastic yesterday to see if I could gain a few degrees!
Just a Willamette Valley wannabe
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Thanks Christine,
They say:
“What doesn’t kill you can make you stronger”
I see you fenced it in from further nips. That can be a real challenge to protect plants from deer. It’s been a while since we had deer visit, so I hope they do not come back. It looks healthy for now. Planting it in real soil should help a lot.
Dennis
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That is Dedication!!!
What we, fruit growers, will do for our fruit and fruit trees.
Anybody get significant growth from their Cardinal? Sounds like PharmerDrewee’s has doubled, so I suppose that makes it 2 feet?
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Mine only 19"! The deer nipped off 5", so yes, you’re right, a 2 ft tree!
Have moved it to an outdoor covered ghouse where the summer temps can get 85-95+. That’s my best option for persimmons ripening in my way-too-cool climate.
Have you noticed OGW’s new listing for Raven? They cut and pasted the last 2 paragraphs of Cardinal’s description. Makes you wonder about their advertising.
As far as I can tell, they also have all of their kaki listed as ripening in October, growing the same size, and generally I’ve learned not to trust their pictures. Sometimes they’ve used the same picture for more than one variety.
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I too was struck by OGW description of Cardinal being earliest ripening they sell. I have one on order. I hope it works out for me. I find that with the persimmons I get some that make it past the first year and others don’t. I have had success with the same varieties if tried again. Can’t explain it.
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I saw OGW’s recent ad for Cardinal, so went to this thread.
This is slightly off-topic, but I can add info on Izu.
Izu is a Japanese PCNA, a product of the Japanese breeding program. It’s a cross of Fuyu x Okitsu-1, which is a daughter of Okugosho.
From what I’ve read, the Japanese have had some success producing earlier-ripening PCNAs than Fuyu and Jiro, but overall the breeding program is frustrated by the difficulty of improving a strain with (a) female flowers and (b) a very desirable trait (NA) that is recessive.
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Thank you for posting. Good information. I was in another conversation, maybe on Facebook, about what a person would get when they planted the seed found in a grocery store “Fuyu”
Ripening date, female flowers, and being non-astringent were among the factors that make it a bit of a long shot. Not to mention fruit size, parthenocarpy, precocity, and many other things people care about.
Back to the topic, does anybody have significant growth on their Cardinal?
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Does anyone know the relationship between the Cardinal offered from OGW and the one bred by Cliff England?
I received a free scion from Cliff along with an order last year, but did not even try to graft it because I associated it with OGW and assumed it would not be appropriate for my short cool climate.
When I visited England´s Nursery last September and walked through the orchard, Cliff mentioned this variety in passing as a product of his breeding program. He seemed to be surprised to hear that another nursery was offering a Cardinal. This made me wonder whether this was merely a case of two varieties having the same name, or whether OGW had mistakenly marketed the variety without first getting clear permission. I never followed up on this question, but am still curious.
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Great question @GeneH. I was wondering the same. I have heard that Cliff’s Cardinal is astringent while OGW claims their Cardinal is non-astringent.
Sounds like Cliff’s is something different. One Green World’s is trademarked and they say its Korean. Also, apparently the variety name is Jo Choo. I can’t find info on Jo Choo.
So I can ask, does anybody have Jo Choo scions they could share with me. If your Cardinal™, from One Green World, put on significant growth it could be a source of Jo Choo scion wood.
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I noticed that “Jo Chu” is in Cliff England’s list of scion wood from 2013.
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Wow, good catch! And its under kaki.
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@murky – I’m still interesting in its identity. If Cliff had it in 2013, then there is only one PCNA release from the Korean breeding program that it could be – Romang (2008). Or it could be any of 11 PCNA releases from the Japanese breeding program (1959-2003). Or it could be a synonym for some named Japanese PCNA variety.
I still think the best candidate is Soshu (2000).