Dwarf persimmon “ichikikeijiro asian persimmon”

General Fruit Growing
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It is a great variety. Dwarf tree. 2nd generation hybrid. A much better tasting variety than IKKJ.

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Thanks for your response. How would you compare it to fuyu in regards of taste? Are there similarities?

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Fuyu has a simple taste. — mostly just sweet. But not really all that sweet compared with Saijo or Hachiya.

Nikita’s gift is a hybrid with complex flavor — raisin, butterscotch like an American persimmon. But also a firm texture when fully ripe.

Do note that NG is astringent when ripe and has to sit on the counter for a few days to lose astringency.

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Thanks for all this info, I’m so excited! I’m ordering one right now.

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Fruit drop is a challenge for some folks, read about it. I’m grafting part of my Nikita’s Gift next spring but also very much looking forward to trying it’s fruit for the first time if it holds next year.

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NG seems well adapted to west coast weather for some reason.
It dropped fruit in its first year. But not more than others in subsequent years.

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I have read on multiple forum that it usually drops in the first 1-3 years then it gets better.
Not related but do you think I can graft Fuyu on my Nikita’s gift?

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Should work as NG is a hybrid. But I have not tried it.

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Ah great, thanks. So I can pretty much graft both Japanese and American because it is hybrid.

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I have successfully grafted American on American and Kaki on American. American does not graft on Kaki.
hybrids graft on both Kaki and American.

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Will I be able to to graft Japanese persimmon(particularly Fuyu and Giant Fuyu) on to my Nikitas gift? Sorry not really familiar with kaki. And if I do graft them will it still be slightly dwarf or the wood might get so big?

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Kaki just refers to all Asian persimmons (Diospyros kaki), so that would include any of the Fuyu variants.

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Ok, thanks for the clarification.

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@ramv — I am still trying to get all this persimmon lingo and I think you just helped me out some.

I have American persimmon seedlings (3 of them)… and it sounds like I could graft American or Kaki/Asian or Hybrids of American/Asian on those American persimmon seedlings.

I may just have to try 1 of each if I can get the scion wood.

Americans I am considering… H63A, WS8-10, 100-46
Kaki - IKKJ (man that name…)
Hybrids ???

Is there a Hybrid as good as NG… that does not have the possible 1-3 year fruit drop issue ?
I have seen several here mention the fruit drop issue with NG.

Thanks
TNHunter

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Hi Trev
Probably the most important consideration is ripening time, in Your area you could refernce anyone to your north that has varieties that actually ripen. Unless they will ripen, the fruit drop is a very minor concern
Ultimately the rootstock matured enough to grow and ripen fruit, I doubt anyone can answer your question with a degree of confidence
Dennis
Kent, wa

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The fruit drop issue is there for sure. It seems more climactic than anything else. Therefore hard to say if it will drop for you.
Flavor wise it seems hard to beat- @mikatani who has probably tasted more varieties than most of us seems to think it is among the best. Kasandra is supposedly close.

I will be able to try JT-02, Kasandra and NG this year barring any mishaps.

As far as Kakis go, I prefer the pvna types like coffee cake. Rojo Brillante is very similar tasting.

I really enjoyed H63a last year. This year it dropped all but one fruit.

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Is it soft when ripe as well?

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Pamjat Pasenkova is supposed to be from what I’ve read.

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Just wanted to make an observation… Ichi ki kei Jiro, Maekawa Jiro, Jiro…are all the same in terms of vigor. Jiro is the original variety and it is a dwarfish tree. The other ones are bud mutations. Maekawa Jiro is the earliest ripening in my experience. They are all dwarfish varieties.
Fruit drop is usually caused by fluctuating water availability and/or to much nitrogen. It helps a lot when the fruit is pollinated. Pollination isn’t really necessary for fruit formation but it will reduce the second flush of fruit drop at the end of summer when the fruit has reached a considerable size(first flush being right after flowering).
I my orchard Nikita’s Gift, Kasandra, Sosnovska are the best performing hybrids. little fruit drop and early ripening and most importantly: they are really sweet!
Many kaki and hybrids will ripen rather late others will ripen early, etc… but the most important issue is sugar development. If the fruit is only nice to look at…it serves no purpose. Few varieties will develop enough sugar in a cooler and short season climate to make them palatable…

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@Mikatani – Thanks. Can you define “cooler” and “short season” more precisely? What is too cool and/or too short?

And which varieties are best suited to cool / short season locations?

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