Read McDaniel in Griffith.
If you could take them down Iād appreciate it, sometimes scientific journals get weird about results being previously posted online and Iād rather not deal with that hullabaloo. But I appreciate your enthusiasm about the project!!
Where is Etterās orchard? Iām not familiar with him.
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Yes! Iām planning to get this published in a peer-reviewed journal, it will probably get submitted early next year because I have a lot more work to do. I intend to publish all the scientific papers I do open access so that anyone can view them for free.
I agree a lot of these results arenāt surprising, although Iāve never encountered the Prok or Geneva Long pedigrees you have there. Do you have a source for those I can go snooping through for more info?
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Will C. Goeckeritz be the lead author?
Etterās orchard is located Lemasters , Franklin Co. PA if Iām right, some part of his collection (seedlings from grafted trees like Josephine, Early Golden, Miller, Gildwell) was secured by https://www.futureforestplants.com/.
Iām not sure if you took samples from nurseries so I wouldnāt mention them here but some old collections are ;
- John Gordon - Amherst NY , he collected seeds from Cornwell University planting (I donāt know if there are any survivors there) and Talbottās Nursery, Linton Indiana , some material from Gordonās nursery is available by https://www.perfectcircle.farm/
- Louis Gerardi - OāFallon Illinois , he provided some trees for George Slate experiments at Geneva
- John Brittain - Upton Kentucky, his nursery offered some rare clones like Janet (https://www.woollyyak.com/persimmon-orchard), Blue/Brittainās Blue (which he described as a wild find from Indiana), Woolbright and other
As for pedigrees, I tried to research for background of as many cultivars as possible, so I could check my notes. For example Slate mentioned some clones planted at Geneva, I donāt asked the University about this matter but possible pollinators are an NN male seedlings and EG family members (EG, Garretson, Killen, Meader) , maybe also William as some scions were collected at Urbana by McDanielā¦ As for the female parents, Korp and Prok are described by John Gordon as seedlings of Pipher (an older, unkown cultivars which lost his original name). Geneva Red (Gordon mentioned it in his book) and probably Geneva Pumpkin are seedlings from Morris Burton. Geneva Long is the biggest mystery as I donāt find any tips, if Penland is truly 60n like McDaniel wrote then the other candidate would be Lambert in my opinion (in your research , Lambert is most likly sampled as Shoto).
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Itās unclear what the cultivars are at Etterās orchard. There are at least 16 trees and Iāve grafted 9 of them: they are all different.
Bob Seip, a 95-yr-old nut grower in PA, has āMillerā persimmon. Itās a smallish, sweet, and from what I recall, seedless persimmon (could be a 60n)? Does this sound like the right description for Miller?
Shoto is definitely Lambert. Hershey Blue or Wafer Seed = Buhrman. Fruit Dump = Josephine. All three should be tested as all three ought to be distinct from EG.Let me know if you need leaf tissue samples of any of these, including Miller.
Pipher was supposedly a wild tree in Illinois found by Ralph Kreider.
There are a few other presumably non-EG cultivars out there, like Rocky River and Catawba Treasure.
Very interested in these results!
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Hereās the best description of Miller I could find.
As for Pipher, Ralph Kreider found it in an abandoned orchard. The tree was planted something around 1913 but the original cultivar name was lost.
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Well, Bobās Miller is indeed flattened, reddish yellow, translucent, early (dropping September), and very sweet. Iāll go there in a month, take photos, and report back.
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