Experience with Red Fleshed Apples

The Arkansas black we had tonight had a tiny bit of bleeding.

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I raised some of those deep purple/black carrots. Turned my vegetable soup all BLACK!

But I still ate it.

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Sometime about '16 I obtained Odysso, and in ‘17 Cierce. Having tasted both finally, I feel sure I can breed something better (if I live a few more years that is). So far, I just have a
handfull of little Niedzwetzkyana seedlings that I’m hoping to see fruit from in 3 or so years.
And I have a small quantity of seeds for spring planting. And, I’ll be planting some other apples’ seeds such as Fuji that are open pollinated, looking for red in the leaves and cambium (and the other seedlings I’ll graft to and possibly offer trees for sale unless I acquire more land to grow them out as an orchard).

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Yes, one of the 2 years my Redfield had almost that much color. The other, much less.

Think I’ll have a second tree of it fruiting this coming summer.

But, the flavor isn’t much…I prefer it’s parent (Niedz.)

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I have two redfield grafts but they haven’t put out much growth since I grafted them. I saw the same with odysso, but the next year it took off and it’s doing great. Both remain fairly small in caliper. Niedzwetzkyana in the other hand has produced great growth in length and caliper since day one.

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After 5 summers, of the scions red flesh apples you generously sent to me, @LuckyP, only Geneva has fruited (and it’s not much except as an ornamental)…one may bloom first time in '24, another is still a tiny plant.
The Redfield is no improvement on Niedz. in my opinon. Odysso is overhyped by Markus Kibelt.
Bakran is sour, but a very red (inside and out), crunchy, juicy crab apple.

Hoping to get Veralma Simontornya, Pink Parfait, and a couple more to fruit this year…as I have 30 or so red fleshed that are still too young and small to evaluate.
BB

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Ill have to try Niedz at some point. I did fruit Redfield last year. It grows well here, is disease resistant, the apples were large, and very red fleshed with at least some of that berry flavor common to the type, so it does have some good attributes. That said, sugar was low, had quite a bit of tannin, and the texture was not great. I was able to cross it with Williams Pride and got four seeds so eager to see what those become. I feel like I should get at least one offspring that is an improvement on Redfield. Also going to use Scarlett Surprise aka Bills Red Flesh as a pollen parent this year. Definitely a better red flesh apple than Redfield in terms of flavor( definite strawberry note) and texture, also very early (mid August). Hoping to cross it with the high quality late season apples.

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Redfield is bland, like it’s mama.

Simontornya is very sour. Didn’t taste it yet (hopefully this year). It’s a found variety in a hungarian park. Those that tasted it, said that it’s pretty sour.

Among the Redlove, Jedermann is the best tasting one, with low or no acidity at all. Tasted it when it wasn’t fully ripe, and it was very sweet.

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I grafted Jedermann last spring…it’s going to be a bit.
Cierce might be good for cider. I can’t say Odysso is very special for anything…but maybe older trees could develop more sugar, not sure.

Perhaps I, too, can taste Veralma Simontornya this year…hope so.

I’ll be interested in your E.Europe perspectives on this and other topics.

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Of course, I can already give my perspective on Circe for example. I planted two trees in 2019 or 2020, in the first years of fruiting the sugar level was not that high, but later on it became a very pleasant apple. Also the fruits that get full sun are sweeter than the ones that are shaded.

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I’ll have my best harvest of Odysso I expect…so it’ll get a third year of chance to prove if it’s a keeper. (Oh, I’ll keep it, for ornamental value if nothing else).

Cierce … maybe I gave up too soon…I sold my tree and have not visited it since in the 7 seasons.

Baya Marisa looks good, but no bloom buds for '24.

Taking the Veralma Simontornya and crossing it to a high sugar apple…should get me an interesting result. It blooms so early, getting it past frosts and freezes may be my biggest hurdle to experiencing this apple.

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