Not persistent.
Synonym of Al Asaad. A feral specimen found along Putah Creek, not from a UCD collection.
Not persistent.
Synonym of Al Asaad. A feral specimen found along Putah Creek, not from a UCD collection.
capri s isnt persistant but it will keep its pollen crop without the wasp. so not sure about its genetics for breeding and how likely youd be to get a common fig, but its at least usable without wasps
@snarfing
It is a San Pedro (Sp) analogous Caprifig (Csp).
yes, i just dont know how that effects the breeding genetics
@snarfing
There are a multitude of genes involved in the initiation and construction of sexual attributes in Ficus. Only two have been verified: one from initiation and another from construction. Thus, the morphological consequences of the sexual attribute genes are unknown. Consequently, it is not possible to assemble specimens for valid statistical trials to estimate odds, nor is it possible to mathematically compute odds from a network of genes for Ficus. All published odds to date should be regarded as gross speculation. However, there is one overriding fact: persistence can only be obtained from the pollen parent.
I was unaware that capri s was not persistent. Thanks for the information.
@Ethancactus
At the bottom of the following page, click on “18” for a list of caducous and “3” for a list of persistent.
Do persistent figs only have pollen from the berba crop?
Oops, you meant “breba”, which traditionally is the spring crop of female figs in species of Ficus carica
. They of course have no pollen.
Caprifigs have pollen carried on stamens. Caprifigs of Ficus carica species usually have stamens in their spring crop, a lesser quantity in their main crop, and none in their winter crop (if any).
Ficus palmata subsp. palmata bear figs year-round, not in crops. They are all persistent. Caprifigs of F.p. palmata have stamens in all syconia. F1 hybrids of Ficus carica species x F.p. palmata usually have a winter crop bearing stamens. Note that hybrid nomenclature means: (seed parent) x (pollen parent).
F.p. palmata is endemic to NE Africa (along with other Ficus species). In contrast, F.p. virgata (Punjab fig) is endemic to the Indian subcontinent. Whether F.p. virgata were originally persistent and bore year-round is less understood.
The properties of F.p. palmata were noticed in ancient times. Specimens were transported to fig groves in the Mediterranean and western Asia. The fig wasp B. psenes is endemic to both, although it is thought to be a merger of wasp species from paleo history. Whether ancient civilizations knew about fig wasps is uncertain. Whether they hand-pollinated is also uncertain.
Caprifigs have different names for the crops
Profichi is the first crop of the spring, Mammoni is the summer crop, and Mamme is the overwintering crop
Profichi is the one with significant viable pollen, though mammoni may also have pollen it’s not really produced in large amounts suitable for pollination
There are 800+ species of Ficus. All of them have Female and Caprifig sexual types. A few Ficus species are native to North America. Several others have been imported to the US. Some Ficus species bear continuously and others bear in crops. The outdated European agricultural names for crops only apply to landrace F.c. carica and should generally be abandoned.
Sorry I was in a rush and didn’t include vital details!
If that’s the case I will have to grow all my caprifigs in pots. As my cold weather will kill the above ground growth.
When I was in LA, August of last year I saw (what I think were) huge F.p. Palmata in and around Olvera Street.
Would F.p. Palmata genetics be useful in any cold hardy fig breeding projects? From what I could find online, there was no clear answer. That was before I was super interested in figs. I knew I should’ve grabbed a few for seed!
i’m skeptical of both these statements. sources?
F.p. palmata. Note the capitalization, first word (Genus) with leading cap and subsequent words (species, etc.) lower case. It is short for Ficus palmata subsp. palmata.
Those are Moreton Bay fig trees (Ficus macrophylla)
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Their genetics (specifically the persistence) are likely in all persistent F.c. carica. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, the latter is a landrace species (bred by humans for agriculture) and did not exist as a native species anywhere. There are specimens that have “escaped” agriculture (seeds transported by nature or humans) and exist on their own unattended. These are termed feral, not wild.
F.p. palmata is endemic to NE Africa, in a climate suitable for evergreen Ficus. Pure bred cultivars of this species are not cold hardy.
In contrast, its sister species F.p. virgata (Punjab fig) is moderately cold-tolerant. Seemingly native specimens have been found at elevations near 1 mile high, but keep in mind those sites are at a latitude similar to Clearwater FL. Thus, its cold tolerance is no better than some F.c. carica cultivars.
So satisfying to see and to not see die from gnats ![]()
There are plenty of such events, although how far are people willing to travel, and if the taste testing does not happen in a similar enough climate, then the taste testing will not be useful enough.
Does anyone have any experience with this variety?
no experience but sounds like an early mt etna variety. theres like hundreds of different mt etnas, generally theyre early, cold hardy, and real workhorse good producers. find one you like the flavor of and it will be a staple of your collection just to give you a good quantity of figs
Some people who have tried ‘Hardy Hartford’, they have said that it’s identical in all ways to ‘Takoma Violet’ which a lot of people say that it’s the best mount Etna type of fig for flavor, other people says they are not impressed with ‘Hardy Hartford’. Kind of strange I think, could be just that in some climates amazing, and not in others.
Takoma Violet was an absolute fig factory here, interesting taste one year out of five, so I culled and planted Unk. Prosciutto. Malta Black is my remaining Mt Etna type, a keeper for its heat of summer peach taste.