Fruit Production is too heavy too soon

I have a couple of 2 year old pears that have really outdone themselves on BET and callery rootstock. I let the rootstock grow one year on its own ungrafted. I missed thinning the fruit on these since they are remote in the orchard. They have not even been pruned yet. At a glance it appears staking will be needed. Heavy pruning for the first time will be necessary also.









Since i didn’t use chemicals or sprays you might wonder how an unfertilized pear could grow so quickly. It might appear im doing everything wrong. It is a strategy and not an accident these trees shot up without fertilizer. Once or twice a year i mow strategically sweeping the mulch to the pear trees like this


These two rows is what they will look like at 4 or 5 years old.


The bigger rootstocks there in the photo went a bit to long, and i grafted them over in spring of 2022. Here is the thread Grafting large Callery and Betulifolia pear rootstocks
The trees to small to graft then were grafted in 2023 like those pictured were one year old. Technically that makes the roots 3 years old.

I’m doing two things here giving them grass as fertilizer. Grass as something to hold the moisture. Think of it as manure that hasn’t been through the cow yet. I’m also building a wall for winter to catch the snow for water all winter. You might question my methods but you cant question the results. Leaving the pears on was a mistake! There is another thing that is less than obvious i’m doing. Every bird coming through sits in these branches pooping on these trees. Every rabbit looking for a remote woodline to hide in will sleep here and poop here. They dont like the taste of these rootstocks. Very soon i will hit all these trees with composted manure and woodchips. That is when the real magic happens.

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I did the same thing with tomatoes… and ended up with tomato trees… which wasnt the greatest idea.

The internet says
Grass clippings are 90 percent water and decompose quickly, releasing nutrients for your lawn. In fact, if you let your grass clippings decompose on your lawn, the nitrogen added to the soil equals 1-2 fertilizer applications per year. That’s like getting free fertilizer.

A deeper dive into the process is that bacteria, fungis and invertibrates etc break down the grasses… and moisture is key.

The only grasses that i bag with my mower are the clovers when they go to seed… i then spread those clippings and seed where i want more clover to grow… which i think as far as we understand that clover is a ‘nitrogen fixer’.

The rest i do the same as you Clark… mow onto things for free mulch and fert.

I do think there is something to letting the grasses get tall from time to time… to let the roots go deep and aerate and break things up… not to mention once mowed those roots then die which is broken down i think into more soil health.

Not many folks will let their grasses get tall and do that free work… it appears that the ones that do reap benefits… not the robbing and stealing as most folks report.

The ‘magic’ that happens with woodchips here (I just brought in another 15 tons)… is that it creates Creeping Charlie

Its aggravating to look at and most folks hate it…but its a powerhouse of a thing… also great for pollinators and habitat for things.

If the end of the world happens… i think a person could eat creeping charlie for medicine…but it is aggravating to look at from an aesthetic standpoint.

I cant prove it but i think most every tree or limb that is chipped must have creeping charlie seeds in it… at least here.

It has some kind of natural toxin that stunts or kills all competition as well… at least on the surface.

Final thoughts are that i have chickens free ranging in my most fenced in block… they are mowing it now… im not sure how that will work out for me versus my blocks that are similar to yours… but i figure at some point it will look like a barren wasteland unless i pull them out of it after they have foraged it.

I have some fruit trees in there now that i recently added woodchips to…and they scratch it all out to the ‘dripline’ which is kind of what is needed anyways…so free labor is nice i think.

I am also trying the woodchips in the henhouse and their winter run… i think those mixed with chicken manure will be a nice thing to have as well… labor intensive but free nonetheless.

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@krismoriah

Speak of chickens. im glad you brought that up. Mulberries are almost perfect food for them. I had a dark cornish hen once disappear, and we all assumed the coyotes got her. Those cornish are wilder than tame. They are ugly birds that are heavy and meant to be eaten for meat. I used cornish because of their wild tendencies. She showed up nearly a month later with 23 chicks in tow. I creeped through the grass following the cornish and chicks home. There i found her home under a mulberry and the nest hatch site. I would start growing mulberry asap. Mine as you know ripen in may. Illinois everbearing ripens in the summer then autumn olives ripen in fall and winter. That is a lot of free chicken.food

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My plan that i have already started is to surround their henhouse and run as well at the perimeter of that block with mulbs… not only food but shade as well… i figure that the leaves that drop will be eaten also…

I will likely overplant high density in that block also… with a mulb in between each if not most fruit tree. I think i can hack on them pretty hard to make sense of it… which seems to make some of them fruit better anyways.

No sense going too sciency on it… but

’ In total, 18 studies that sampled 2,335 poultry and livestock were selected for analysis. Mulberry leaves improved the average daily gain and reduced the feed/meat ratio in finishing pigs, and the average daily gain and average daily feed intake in chicken.

So pruning i think will be desired and free food as well.

Free fertilizer from mowing and free food from pruning sounds nice to me.

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i also blow the grass clippings against the roots. it also helps smother the weeds under there.

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My yard is tiny but I always mow the grass clippings into my “orchard” I tossed the bag attachment long ago to save space in my shed and I wish I hadn’t because now with chickens I could either dump it into the run for forage or right at the base of trees instead of a bit more legwork to accomplish the same tasks. Oh well, good stuff guys

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in my tree crops book from the early/ mid 1900’s there are instances of livestock of all types free ranged under mature mulberry, chestnut and walnut orchards causing said animals to be fed for months exclusevely on these crops. very cool! them ol’ timers knew how to save on feed costs. could be done on mature orchards nowadays as well to clean up fallen fruit. once my plantings have all filled in, i will free range my chics.

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i planted 2 red mulberry in my 10’’ x 25’ chic run this spring and have 4 pea shrub growing on the outside of it. the pea shrub id loaded with pods this year. the seed is 30 - 40% protein. they are also very attractive covered in yellow blossoms. bees love them and they are very hardy.

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What kind of mower do you use that throws the clippings like that?

Why dont you remove the fruit now - it is only going to get heavier

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@whitecliffs

I did they just got away from me because they fruited very quickly.

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all my boreal honeyberries are doing the same . they are in their 3rd year and despite not fertilizing are about 6ft. the fruit load is huge also so they all flopped over. i took some twine and tied each one up so at least they arent on the ground. they are growing on the spot of my old chicken run. why they’re growing so well. :wink:

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Is this not common practice? What is normally done with the vegetation that grows throughout an orchard?

@Josh6b

Typically with pears nobody needs to worry about fruit to fast. As the saying goes " pears for yout heirs".

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I pick up wind fall pears and feed them to the cattle. They love them and could care less if there is a bad spot on them. But beet greens are like cattle crack, they go crazy over beet greens. They also like sweet potato vines and sweet corn leaves.

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It looks like Callery/Bet might be the ideal rootstock for those British garden “stepover” trees. :grin:

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Clark, what’s your in row/between row spacing here?

Your mowing regime looks to be successful.

Would you consider summer pruning the pears, or will you wait for dormancy?

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Harrow Sweet and Easter Beurre were anomalies for me in this regard. These two varieties bore fruit on second year wood for me this year.

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So is the early fruiting a result of the variety/rootstock combination or of optimal conditions?

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They also love beets. When I worked in the sugarbeet industry, it was common practice to allow cattle onto beet fields after harvest. The only issue was the beet sometimes got stuck in the steer’s throat. The farmers then had to take a flexible hose and push the beet down. While on beets they also had access to wheat pasture. The farmers made wheat a dual-purpose crop, cattle grazing in winter and grain in spring.

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Whoa, what is this?
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@fruitnut changed from the letter F on a yellowish background to a picture of his fruit! :joy:

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