SKIP TO THE CAPS BELOW TO PASS OVER PERSONAL RAMBLING OBSERVATIONS.
So I finally got out in the patch of trees again last night to catalog my grafted trees while I could still read the writing on the rootstock.
I had issues this year with refrigeration, and had some scionwood get way too warm and start sprouting and healing in the bags.
I also had trouble even getting out there because of all the other demands on my time.
What I can share is that my success rate with grafting on d. lotus is poor compared to d. Virginiana, and the survival rate is poor for d. Lotus too.
Planted 100 of each last year, tried to graft a few. I have 3 survivors on lotus (2 are K.B.S.) and 3 Prok on Virginiana from last year.
Current data this year show that early grafts on lotus probably failed because of a freeze about a week after grafting. Many of the lotus had black leaves, and I chose the stronger plants when grafting later.
After seeing the frost damage I put most of what I had and wanted on d. Virginiana!
MY RESULTS. on D. Lotus
100 d lotus planted in 2017.
3 surviving grafted last year.
6 young trees winter killed. (Hachiya and Gyombo)
19 total living grafted trees (counting 3 from 2017)
44 living root stock
Many (maybe 10) failed grafts this year but 37 empty spaces is a lot of dead trees!
RESULTS ON d. Virginiana
3 grafted survivors from 2017
This year as of 6/20/2018
64 living grafted trees (3 from 2017)
34 living rootstock
Maybe 3 empty spaces from dead trees.
(There were a couple small extra trees planted between drip emitters)
Thanks to everyone who sent me persimmon scion!
One name was unfamiliar to me looks like
Chiahaeha or something like that. Whatever it is I have three of 'em.
I should be able to save scion myself from what is growing and graft or bud more trees.
The d lotus has been a disappointment.
But one I am happy to share.
I think we might be too cold, it also may not like the soil here. It is kinda heavy, and a bit on the alkaline side. I saw a few grafts die when the drip was run a bit too often…lotus might not handle that much water?
Live and learn and persevere!
gotta count the trees not the empty spots. Lol
I’m just doing one day at a time…make that one moment at a time.
My grafted tomatoes are doing well. Melon patch all planted. And we are growing corn where we grew 11 foot weeds last year.
Work is crazy busy…with my guys doing many days two days worth of work (with help from three other great workers!)
Good thing I guess. Cool projects in the works including that trellised orchard…and prepping the place for the romance series cherries.
After over a week of plugging away at this leveling the ground, laying it out, trenching, laying PVC pipe, measuring cutting and threading 3/4" steel risers, repairing the fittings today that got over tightened and cracked, we got the fun of backfilling ditches today in high winds. Then after using the tractor and bobcat, rakes and shovels to move dirt, hubby got on the tractor and used a drag to level things up…with a little extra weight of course.
While two of the boys were riding around another helped me dig two holes and transplant a cherry rootstock, and then hubby helped me with another. They are leafing out but I plan on grafting them tomorrow, and I expect them to do just fine.
I was smiling so big I thought my face might crack! :-)
With up to 40 mph winds in the forecast, and the wind whistling past the house even now at 8:22 pm we may not run them tomorrow. But we will soon.
There are 34 sprinklers on this system most of them about 39 feet apart. 3 inch pipe down the center line, 1 inch running 2 sprinklers on each side with 3/4 inch steel risers with a stake for extra support and a stainless steel hose clamp on each. Eventually we will pour concrete “donuts” to protect the heads. That way there arent worries if you run over them with the tractor or lawn mower, and its easier to find the valves in the grass.
Now…for a shower. I think we’re gonna sleep good tonight! :-)
So for anyone interested its been 9 days since we ran those sprinklers overnight. It did a good job of wetting the soil and made using the auger and shovels easier.
We went and layed out the planting, and hubby opted for four rows instead of three. The American are planted on a 20 x 20 spacing, and the kaki are 15 x 20.
I planted the two Dr Kazas hybrids with the American trees. There are 22 trees in the American persimmon block. And 28 in the kaki block with an even 50/50 split planned for fuyu type non astringent and astringent.
The real fun started when we went to dig these out of the nursery. We found out that D. Virginiana likes to grow deep roots, and ya have to dig halfway to China to get under them. By the time we finished we were happy with trimming them a bit way down there.
Here is a 100-46 tree with a big root system.
Finally at the end of today we finished planting.
Yellow tags are some of the grafted trees, orange are rootstock I’ll graft in a couple weeks. With these big “rootstocks” that love our soil here I don’t expect any to die or fail…but we will have to see.
Now that we are much smarter, should we ever undertake another planting of persimmon trees, we will plant the cute little rootstock we bought from Lawyers where we want the trees, and field graft them the next year.
Live and learn. Lol
Next step graft, then get grass growing out there!
Always something to look forward to.
The big persimmon planting was an ambitous idea, and when we dug the first few trees most of us had sort of an “oh $#/+” kind of moment. Our boys hand dug about 50 apple trees this year and had the persimmon been like apple it wouldn’t have been bad.
It was our second son pictured with the monster tree (he is six feet tall) that helped give us all the shot in the arm needed to get it done yesterday.
I cant wait to see the trees leafed out and growing! I can already see them loaded with fruit…in my minds eye. The actuality of that is going to be awesome too.
If folks like you hadn’t been talking about how great persimmons were I’d have never ventured to grow them. So thanks to @scottfsmith for the forum and all the other great and helpful fruit enthusiasts here that shared their knowledge and experiences.
Next year I will be planting the Chocolate that Scott said was the best and some pvna cultivars on another property…so the fruit saga here continues.
I planted three American persimmons four years ago. I think I’m to cold for them. One died back to the ground two winters ago, but grew a new leader to the same height. It looks like another has died back this year. They are only four foot tall. I would like to taste them, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. I am impressed with all the trees you are planting. I’m looking forward to harvest pictures. Thanks for sharing
Yesterday and today I finally got out there and grafted the persimmon rootstocks we moved.
Most were out nicely, bark slipping. One was pushing but not as far along…I grafted it anyways.
I had to change my plan a little. I grafted a Tam Kam tree a while ago, then did something thoughtless and left the scion loose in my toolbag to dry out. Re wrote the plan as even rehydrated I dont think the scion was viable. I grafted more Makaewa Jiro, and Jiro instead.
As of today all persimmon out there are grafted with one exception that looks dead. I will graft a replacement in the nursery in case nothing grows on that one. Grafted a back up Gwang Yang as the one we planted looks chancy.
Now I have a bunch of D.Lotus to graft in the nursery, and some Virginiana too.
I’m leaning toward doing a lot of Saijo and whatever non astringent I have extra scion of. Might try some Nikita’s Gift on Lotus???
Also Nishimura Wase, and Chocolate.
I have Russian Kaki and that did fine on Lotus.
Here is the final planting/grafting list.
One Rootstock to be Saijo is not showing signs of life, will graft a replacement.
Gwang Yang looks like it may be dying back or just dying. Grafted a replacement. The rest looked pretty good.
American persimmon 22 trees.
100-42 (2 )
Dr Kazas (2)
H-118 /Early Jewel (2)
Lehman’s Delight (4)
Astringent Kaki 14 trees
Russian Kaki (2)
Kiung san Ban Si (K B.S.) (4)
Saijo (4) one rootstock not showing life 3 trees look good
Non Astringent Kaki 14 trees
Matsumoto Wase Fuyu (2)
Makaewa Jiro (4)
Now the wait till the tasting!
Out in the nursery trees that were waking up when we planted have already grown …some of them over eight inches!