They tried that in the 1940s… genocides and wars and atomic bombs and all…
We answered the call with the baby boomers.
Due to Covid…we are entering another baby boom cycle.
10 Billion here we come.
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I love the nonsensical thinking too. Keep em coming.
Actually the ‘poor’ people are on assistance… and those folks buy meat and processed meats.
On some forums, people who are poor said they can’t even afford eggs at $9. Meat prices have been very high. Even the butcher guy at one of the supermarket I go to complaining. The working stiff or really poor.
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I think on this forum all you need is some traps and a scoped rifle and meat is free.
Eggs are a luxury item like Almonds. Dont need them but they taste good.
You can stretch eggs, whether you need them is a different story.
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Anything to slam us meat eaters … I hear it…
PS… I prefer a Rib Eye Steak with a Low Carb High Fat Salad.
I must be confused… Poor ? or Affluent ?
Nope… it is just what my body requires to be healthy.
I can even say I love Plants, fruits and veggies - wish I could eat more of them… would never say you are poor or ignorant or in someway inferior to me… because you prefer to eat them.
Eat what you like (and) keeps you healthy. That is the smart thing to do.
If you are not healthy… consider changing what you are eating, experiment in a smart way (elimination diet)… it can absolutely change your health for the better if you get it right.
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I think some of you underestimate the human race ability to survive.
Did you know that Barrow Alaska has been habituated for about 1,500 years now? With temperatures cloaking at -50f before the wind chill? Average rain around 4.5"? 2 months of perpetual night in the winter?
What the future holds is that the standard of living on industrialized nations is not sustainable, so I would expect that it would continue to drop. In that drop the people on top will do their best to manage said drop in the standard of living as best as they can, so they can continue to manage the greatest engine for resource extraction and enrichment of the 1% the world has ever seen. When that tower of cards eventually falls down then you get civil unrest followed by war, as before and as will be after.
And also guess what; a good chunk of the world’s population will not even notice. The world’s largest refugee camp is Kutupalong in Bangladesh, home of 500,000 souls. Some of them has been lost in there in limbo for about 20 years.
But count your blessings; even in declining standards of living, civil unrest, and war, you are much better off where you are now than there.
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Maybe im confused. I cant find one word about meat or anything in the about section of this forum…or any category.
Yet i am an avid reader and i get to see all kinds of discussions about being a carnivore and about slaughtering animals and get to read about the kills and see pictures of dead animals.
Personally i dont belong to any Carnivore or Keto or Paleo or Caveman forums… and could not even imagine trying to convince the members in there the value of fruits and vegetables and grains that are so highly regarded in this forum.
This topic is about General Gardening… yet again it turns into a discussion about meat.
Flag this post or dont give it a love or give it a love…it doesnt matter to me… i didnt come here to defend my belief of eating fruits, grains, vegetables or my belief in life and living things. I dont think i should have to.
For now i will mostly adhere to what Harvard thinks… and i will continue on my own journey of health , as you are yours doing the opposite.
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Think everyone has made a very valid point. I’m glad to see all of these posts about how people are living off the land. The differences are what makes our group stronger. We learn fruit growing and about new things related to survival and enjoyment from each other. @don1357 makes a good point some people always survive. Hopefully this forum greatly increases our chances to thrive. In my area i grow alot of pears because pears do well here. Bamboo is something i would love to grow for food because i like the taste of it. I’m looking for cold hardy edible bamboo that grows easily here. Have been looking for it for years. My favorite garden i plant and harvest with no need for spray or alot of upkeep.
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Do you know with bamboo shoots, even the smaller ones than the ones in your post, you have to cook them for an hour at least in boiling water, otherwise there are some kind of toxicity. I only learned that recently.
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Yes i knew that from people on the forum warning me years ago. Been looking for them awhile.
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I was just thinking about this earlier today. Currently I have 16 pear trees, but they are all still fairly young and most haven’t produced a crop at all.
I love peaches, apples, and cherries too. But without insecticide and fungicides, I don’t think I could get any decent crops from them. I am growing them, even though they are not sustainable fruits for me. I haven’t tried switching to Surround, but have thought about it. But still, if we don’t have access to Surround and fungicides, pears might be about the only fruit we could grow well, consistently.
Maybe I should… plant more pears!!!
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Do you have a current count on the number of pear trees you grow?
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Wow. That’s great. I always enjoy your posts, thank you.
The pears I am growing are in large part because of posts of yours I have read and information I have learned from you and others on the forum.
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Harrow sweet would be a great addition then you get pears while you wait. Maybe you have it growing already. Harrow delight will produce pears 1 year after harrow sweet. Harrow delight is the hardier against disease of the two but is targeted more by insects.
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I do have both of those growing, but not producing well.
Back in 2018, I think, I grafted both Harrow Delight and Harrow Sweet, as well as Honey Sweet onto seedling trees I had started. I planted all three in a triangle about 3’-4’ apart, in one raised mound area.
I had watched a Dave Wilson nursery video about doing this to keep size of trees down to more manageable height. Since pears don’t like to be pruned much, I thought this might be a good idea to try with a few of them.
The Harrow Delight has produced a few pears, but they were very small size and not many of them.
I should plant at least one more of each of those varieties in their own space and give them room to grow and do their thing. I didn’t really want 40’ pear trees, but I do want pears so I will have to compromise. 
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Wish we could grow those giant bamboo. It tastes similar to cabbage to me.
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